NIrvana, Doors and Beatles fans...

what good did Cobain do to influence? To show that you could be some dirty junkie with no talent and still make it in the music buisness just because that was the popular music at the time? Yeah, great message there Kurt..At least Lennon and Morrison created new things..Kurt just rode the grunge wave until he died.

 

what makes him such an insensitive asshole? he made music and had his own motivation behind him. his childhood was shittier than you could imagine so he was pissed off as a young adult. but i still wouldnt call him and insensitive asshole.

but to the main point, Beatles fans dont really hate Yoko Ono with a fiery passion, they just dont like her cause she was one factor in the break up of the beatles. now Nirvana fans hate Courtney for a couple reasons.
A) she wont let the other members of the band do what they want with the music and wont let them release other rare tracks very easily. the only reason she has a say at all is cause she was Kurts wife.
B) many people think she had something to do with the death of kurt. whether you think she killed him herslef, hired someone else too, or pushed him too suicide. its almost guerenteed(sp?) she had something to do with his death

people like to idolize people beccause they want someone to look up to. everyone needs a role model. someone to look up too.

and I dont like Nirvana for kurts image. when i was 12 I did, but i grew out of it. and it isnt such a bad thing to do that maybe. If i diddnt get into nirvana for kurts image, i wouldnt have gotten into any rock music at all. they got me into good music. now i actually like nirvana for their music, not just their hits. Teen Spirit isnt their best, not even close.

music means something different to everybody. some people its an escape, some its a profession.

 

Give me one example. Just one that proves the musical influence you are talking about. But it has to be something THEY did first.
Good luck

 

The things he said to/about Axl Rose. They hurt me.

 

Yoko was telling John, that he had to be better then others and wanted him to stop playibg in Beatles................... She really was cruel woman, but it was Johns opinion......... so lets not hate her, just dislike ))

John Lennon was good person before he met yoko, i dont know where you have read that he was always taking drugs........ not right

Kurt was an asshole, i dont think it can help you get in rock music........... i think queen is the best group with that reason........ for me it was so, but queen is much more than just thing that can help you start listening Rock

 

How can some of you comment on what these people were really like? Did you know them personally??

 

why should they be the first? the were the biggest and that's what counts.
beatles= legendary popmusic which infuenced allmost any band of it's time, most important exponent of the mersey-beat, st. pepper
doors= controversial lyrics, astounding music, frontman with a huge reputation, hippy-icon, sexsymbol
nirvana= big breakthrough of grunge, a style that would define nineties rock, introduced a whole new style of tune-writing (simple but effective). forntman with a lot of charisma, great voice, rock icon

is that enough reason to make them icons

 

MUsical influence means they created something that inspired others to do simillar.
If they were doing something simmilar to what was alredy done (which they all have) it means they weren't inovative, they and by that they can't be influence to someone.

 

so you mean if the beatles didn´t break through, the musical landscape nowadays would be the same? just because they weren´t the first to discover something. if they didn´t break into the charts, the rest of their scene would not do either, so their music would never have been discovered. and their influence would be gone.
to me there is no doubt about it that they all have been a great influence on fellow musicians due to their wide exposure to the public (the beatles, the doors and nirvana)

 

I'm saying that there were others who did pretty much the same, but no one mentions them. as if they never existed.

 

Grunge was basically the death of rock 'n roll.

 

Actually, it was a revival of the basic ideas of rock and roll. Before that, rock was mostly hair metal and synthesized music. Not all grunge artists sucked, you know.

 

Cobain and Nirvana didn't just ride "the grunge wave". Who do you think made grunge mainstream? Who do you think was the first really popular grunge band? Cobain constantly plugged other bands and helped them to get record deals. If Nirvana didn't break into mainstream consciousness grunge would never have left Seattle.


Nirvana also spelled the end of glam rock, and for this we should be thankful.

Lennon and especially Morrison used drugs too. In fact, drugs pretty much were Morrisons message (why else would 'The Doors' be named after "The Doors of Perception and Heaven and Hell" by Aldous Huxley). If you put aside the whole drug thing (as you did with Lennon and Morrison), you will find that Nirvana did in fact have a message. The message was against corporate greed and blind consumerism. This message was, by extension, anti neoliberalism.

 

"Nirvana also spelled the end of glam rock, and for this we should be thankful."

No I like glam rock.

 

your the one who is alway talking about hippy values and love and peace and how greed is so bad and shit. but thats what glam rock was about. greed, sex, and money.
and i dont see how you can call kurt an ass but not axl. i mean, at least kurt was dedicated to his fans and shit. axl diddnt show up for shows half the time, never could finish a show he started, always got pissed and kicked some fans ass.

 

besides, you shouldnt hate a rock star just cause he diddnt like another musician. my friends uncle has more of a reason to hate nirvana than you. he was supposed to get a big record deal which would have gotten extremely famous. but in the same year, the record compony dropped his band for nirvana, nevermind came out and completely over shadowed the uncles band. now my friends uncle has almost no money becuase he wasted his first 15 years trying to make it big in the music buisness. so he has a reason to hate them and he sure as hell does.

 

if noone knows them, they can´t be such an influence on other musicians. though they did the same as the legendary groups, the legendary groups were and are a major influence on the musical landscape. why else would be they be legendary?

 

I'm not talking about unknown artists that didn't do anything. I'm talking about good and influential bands who got kicked in shadow beacuse of this overrated bands.

They are famous and well known, but don't get credits they deserve.
Like Pink FLoyd. Their first album was written by a man who was later kicked out od band. He wrote entire first album + all singles (execept one song on PATGOD, which was written by entire band).
So, first 15 songs, he made the band famous and was completely forgotten.
Is that ok?
Cause that is what i'm talking about this whole time.
And say what you want, but Pink Floyd was way better than all this bands, and still it is less famous. Is that ok?

 

Here's the product of my research on Axl. Not only was Axl beaten at the hands of his stepfather, but he was made to watch his mother be abused as well. He grew up believing domestic violence was normal. Because the family was supposedly of a radical Christian group, she refused to divorce the abusive father and Axl was suppressed greatly. School wasn't any better because the other kids tormented and rejected him for being different, so he was basically an outcast. During his teenage years he was led to rebel against the religion, his family, and the law, being arrested 40 times for assault and drunkenness. The state, convinced that Axl could not function in society, threatened to lock him up forever. His only freedom was through music, which he loved so much. On hearing about this, he was advised to leave the state. He moved to LA where he met some future Guns 'n Roses members. They were so poor that several band members lived in a 16 by 10 apartment on 4$ a day. Desperation made them turn to drug dealing to earn money. After several bands, Guns 'n Roses happened for Axl, meaning fame and fortune. But soon after the release of their first album Appetite for Destruction, he suffered from repressed memories of sexual abuse by his biological father as a small child. He went to counciling for this. He always wanted kids of his own, and his girlfriend was pregnant with his child. Sadly, this happiness was short-lived. The baby was born dead. On their second album GNR Lies, he wrote a song about this called Patience. Kurt Cobain of Nirvana, being as insensitive as he was and having a child of his own, yelled to Axl "Hey Axl! Wanna be his godfather?" Axl reacted by getting deep into a fist-fight with him. Repeatedly after this he'd show up for concerts hours late, fight with the band and do crazy thing out of anger. I always thought that he expressed his inner pain through these viloent acts. I always saw somebody who was hurt and misunderstood rather than someone who was worthless. Then he went into hiding. I guess he just couldn't fight the world anymore. he didn't fit into society so he tried to escape it. Maybe people should do their research before rashly judging him.

 

Wow, Cobain was a dick man...I hope Axl kicked his grubby junkie ass