Alright... would you kill someone?

Goddamn Hippies. Shut the fuck up. You're bashing the people who are fighting for your right to protest them. Show some respect.

 

Such a well thought out and intelligent response. Impressive!

If this is the future of America, God help us all!

 

...Agreed. God help us indeed. I loved your whole dialogue Lickherish, yours was a very well put set of points with which I could not agree more.

 

fighting fist - bugger off to your beloved ilk will you. if you love the war so much and think it so necessary then bugger off to iraq instead of annoying people here. put your money where your mouth and bugger off.

 

Hmm I reckon I would join in the fight against the coppers, but if anyone tried to shoot me or my family I'd try and run with them first, and if that failed, I'd shoot.

 

i've been involved in many protests ~~~ none of which ended in violence. suprisingly so with my lastest venture ~~~ trying to free a wrongfully convicted man of the rape & murder of a 12 y.o. girl. dna evidence & time of death (man was in police custody for several hours already when girl was killed) and a slew of other evidence proves his innocence ~~~ but it's still a pretty controversial issue up here. anyway, none of the protests i've been in would have put cop killing as an issue or even last resort. i hope none of them ever do & i feel for anyone who is ever put in a situation likee that.

peace & love,
twist

btw ~~ i chose #2

 

I'd shoot, but with a camera, not a gun. Then I'd go straight to the media both private and indy.

 

Id blow the fuckers brains right out.

 

I think I would actually let myself be arrested. By the way, to all you cop-killers out there: stop thinking about the cops who gave you a speeding ticket or the cops who cruise around town giving you a hard time for loitering. Yes, some cops are bad news, but some cops are not. Generalizing is about the worst thing a person can do nowadays. Fighting with your fists only leads to more fighting with your fists. Besides fist-fighting has gotten us where we are today and most of us aren't happy about where we are.

Imagine what would happen if after the rock were thrown and the gunshot rang out, if everyone just sat down and covered their heads...every single peaceful protester. The cops would have a hell of a time arresting hundreds, maybe thousands of individuals who weren't doing anything. Think about that.

The police are not the enemy although some are assholes. They were born into this world the same as the rest of us and they are the sum of their experiences.

 

why dont you shoot the cop in the hand or leg so he doesnt die, but he cant shoot anyone else?

 

because thats still a felony dumbass.

 

the only thing im truely against in life is killing

 

Would you now, freedom for all? Then what? what would stop you from shooting another inocent police officer. They have families to, ya kno. I think this forum speaks more to me than anyone else, because both my sister and brother-in-law are police officers. I'd think, that if i saw someone pick up a gun to shoot my sister, doing her job and with a little girl at home, i reckon i'd have to stab the fucker in the eye.

 

or i wouldnt intentionally

 

Ya prob'ly wouldn't find me around a protest, but if I was, I'd have no part of that killing shit. As always, I'll leave the savagery to others.

 

i don't care about the pig, but will u stop hittin that post button!

 

I like what believe said. Sit down, cover your head...isn't that what you're supposed to do when shots are fired? GET DOWN! There are only a couple of things that terrify me life, and weapons are one of those. I said that i would not shoot someone, that i would run away, but when i think about it, i don't think that i would run in the first place. I would find a safer place to hunker down and watch...i would probably encourage others to do the same.
Violence begets violence. If you want to be a true person, you must strive to lead by example. I don't know what it would take to put me in a position to take someone else's life, and as a child i was told never to hurt anyone UNLESS they were hurting me or someone in my family. Maybe this was a good thing and maybe it wasn't. (not that my mom isn't the greatest, but) I don't know if there is ever really a point at which you have to resort to that. Words are just as powerful....pictures or images are more powerful still, and when you do something like use your spirit to commit violence, it sticks with you.

I would hate to be stuck with my own conscious.

 

man i'd pick up that fuckin gun and blast that fool!

Okay, seriously, I just wanted to feel as though I was part of something and since most other people in my age group find murder cool, I felt the need to jump on the bandwagon.

I picked the third option, as I'm pretty sure I'd have no clue what to do in that situation. If I had a camera, I definitely would use it. We all know that the media is the number one avenue by which you may affect any kind of change and a very pervasive one at that. One thing I know I wouldn't do is shoot anyone. I'd like to say I'd pick up the gun, run to the nearest river and throw it out and be on my merry way back to a safe place, but, honestly, who wants to be seen with a weapon for even a split second in that sort of situation?

I always consider my actions before taking them and I consider the counterfactuals involved. I agree with Malakala in saying that that police officer is simply a human being, probably trying to defend himself against an ever-growing threat. It doesn't take a spansive imagination to sit for a second and picture yourself, even decked out in the most modern of protective gear, being closed in by angry protestors. It's not too hard to imagine, then, why you'd feel your life were in danger and that you were therefore within your legal rights to eliminate the immediate threat by incapacitating a few protestors. Truly, any group of protestors who can't get their message across peacefully is one with a poor creative imagination, a low neuron count and one that isn't worthy of a cause to begin with. If you think about it realistically, the best way to get anything done in America is by being a thorn in the government's side - to become a jam in the oppressive regime's gears - and you needn't be violent in order to do that, you simply have to have many, many numbers of people on your side willing to demonstrate in the places in which big business is conducted (namely, congress, sadly). Any truly noble cause or issue of real immediacy which can wake us from cold comfort and complacency (such as the draft did in '68) will invariably garner that kind of support at some point along the line and make violence effectively obsolete.

-- Ofcourse Kent State was a tragedy but that cannot by the example by which we allow ourselves to justify our fights against police officers, nor can we allow the group of asinine, racist, testosterone-laden apes that are a portion of all our local police forces to be that example.

The only justification for murder is self-defense, and even in self-defense I'm not so sure I'd murder someone. There are always those people, as an earlier poster (can't remember the username right off), that say it's more effective to be alive than dead, which I agree with, but I also believe I'd rather be dead than carrying around the burden of murder. Knowing that I was the means by which another human left this mortal coil would be way too heavy for me, I think.

It seems to me that the younger males in any generation, with very little exception, always seem to be the ones hard up for a violent confrontation. It's almost as if they find it romantic or something, as if they had the choice between getting a peaceful resolution, or one that came by way of a bloody coup, they'd pick the latter. I never understood people coming from that place mentally.

If I could have a situation in which scrupulous people were the majority, rather than unscrupulous, and in which a peaceful resolution were the ultimate goal (which I've come to find wasn't really the case with a lot of groups), I'd much rather have it. I'm not for violence at all, and that doesn't make me a "pussy" or a "wimp" or what-have-you, it just makes me a person who looks at violence realistically and sees it for what it really is - brutish, painful, counterproductive and cumbersome upon all within its physical and emotional proximity.

 

exactly HOW is the US Government oppressive, as compared with other countries?

 

Responding to violence on the part of others during a protest with non violence gives you the moral highground.