SIR BOB - Help poverty - make promises happen

Discussion in 'Hippies' started by experimenting youth, May 21, 2006.

  1. cerridwen

    cerridwen in stitches

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    that Live 8 concert was so much fun...
     
  2. Lodui

    Lodui One Man Orgy

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    Wealth per taxation, we're fairly generous, wealth per GDP yes.

    Moreover the resources the US do provide are much more important then money, like resource transportation aid which is one of the perks to our overbearing military budget.

    And did you completly ignore the post I made.

    Handing money over doesn't work. Neither does handing over food in non-emergency scenarios, It's theft from African farmers, and we make amends by giving dictators moneys to raise militias?

    Live 8 is a great idea, and a grotesque practice.
     
  3. shameless_heifer

    shameless_heifer Super Moderator

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    I believe poverty is a result of ignorance and lack of education.

    I don't understand filth. It would seem to me that one would instintively bury their own 'shit' and not let it lay about and draw diseases. What happens to a Village when the Peace Corps come in and fix 'em up with farming equiptment and the Village makes no attempt to use the equiptment or dig latreans or keep themselve clean.

    These people are beyond ignorant and I mean ignorant as uneducated, not stupid.
    They have to care about themselves in order to be helped. The gov' keeps them ignorant in order to control them. They need schools and teachers. Handing them food only keeps them oppressed. They must learn to make things happen in their lives as we have made our own lives happen.

    It was no worse for the earily settlers that came to the americas to excape oppression.
    I have been hearing about the poverty in Afircia for 40 yrs, Ive contributed money clothing and such over the yrs. But nothing has changed. Why is that?? Don't they have any OIL, must not, bc jr. would have gone in and taken over by now.

    My point is: A plow is no good to someone that doesn't know how to use one. Schools and Hospitals are what is needed most to make a change, not a handout, most of the money and supplies are compenscated before they reach the people in need anyway, by the forces that be.. I feel when I send money now I am supporting the opposistion!!
     
  4. Crosslight

    Crosslight Banned

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    In Africa, culture is primarily tribal, and many of the actual african state borders took shape in european chancellary offices in the colonial times.....etnias were artificially divided according to the interests of the colonial nations....
    Africa is a world problem, and i think everyone of us must try to give some help the way it's possible....
     
  5. Lodui

    Lodui One Man Orgy

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    Well I agree, African borders were almost entirely drawn up during colonial expansion.

    But Africa does have large urban populations, and their societies are primarily agririan villages, not tribal.

    Africa certainly is a global concern.
     
  6. Sattva

    Sattva Member

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    I'll be honest. Live 8 pissed me off. It was just so pathetically shallow and false, and filling up the stages with "stars" (at least half of whom do not give a flying toss about Africa) does nothing to destroy this outdated idea that Africa has nothing to offer but Safari animals and AIDS. Where were the major African musicians? The most talented and genuine people in music today? Why, they were carted off to perform to about 300 people in a provincial backwater, of course. This performance was broadcasted on a tiny realplayer window on a section of the BBC website and was then removed. Friends of mine who watched it said it was far better than the televised ones and it introduced them to a whole world of music and actually taught them something about African culture.

    The one African star who performed on television was Youssou N'Dour. He was not allowed to perform is own songs and was infact relegated to playing one song with Dido (ugh). This man has one of the most beautiful voices in music and it was a terrible sight. I found it rather depressing that artists from a continent so rich in music were relegated to a sideshow in Cornwall because the major record companies clearly don't want people from independent labels to be heard.

    It was like some warped form of apartheid.
     
  7. all_rhodesian_reject

    all_rhodesian_reject Sonskyn Elvis

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    HAHAHAHAHA

    Brilliant
     
  8. all_rhodesian_reject

    all_rhodesian_reject Sonskyn Elvis

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    I wish people would stop referring to "africa" as if its one big country :)
     
  9. Sattva

    Sattva Member

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    Funny, I always thought they were referring to Africa as one big continent.
     
  10. Sattva

    Sattva Member

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    Also, about that trend, I think many people have been conditioned into referring to Africa rather than specific nations. e.g. When Mandela addressed the Live 8 crowds, he only ever spoke of 'Africa', and colonial borders paid no attention to cultural and tribal patterns, making it harder to identify someone's nationality. Unlike Europe, it is far less common for nationality and culture to be one and the same, so if we can't tell whether a Maasai is Kenyan or Tanzanian, we're more likely to refer to him as African (or Maasai of course, but we westerners are quite ignorant of all that).
     
  11. experimenting youth

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    Live 8 needed the masses to help for that to happen, it needed the most popular music, even if it doesnt agree with your type of music, i loved and it got the masses to be heard, and i think hippie is to much about "good music" its about the vibe, sure music can be magical but u gotta understand me, everyones taste in music is different
     
  12. Sattva

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    That's all well and good, but everyone who I managed to persuade to watch the Africa Calling said it was amazing. People are extremely ignorant of African music and considering that it is just as rich and beautiful as our own, and that the focus of Live 8 was Africa, it made a lot of sense to expose people to a world of music. Something can never become popular if it is never heard, and here they had the perfect opportunity.

    That's probably partly why Live 8 was such a let down for me. I knew that it wouldn't affect G8, but I thought it was finally time for people to open their eyes and clean out their ears. I've not known one person to dislike Oumou Sangaré when they hear it, and it just makes me feel indignant.
     
  13. Shambhala Peace

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    I agree with Sattva, Live 8 should have been more diverse in it's music. Half the people that attended didn't strike me as the type who even cared. They just did it for the nice gift basket they recieved walking off the stage. I would have loved to hear African music, or other ethnic music, goodness knows I am sick of American. Unfortunately they probably had to appeal to the masses that way...
     
  14. experimenting youth

    experimenting youth Member

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    ok what music is african, i don't think i've really heard any, so i'll give it a try:)
     
  15. sila

    sila Member

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    I guess people missed the African music?! There was some.
     
  16. Shambhala Peace

    Shambhala Peace Senior Member

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    Hmm.That's a good possability Sila, I wasn't able to watch the whole program. I'm sorry. Let me go remove my foot right now. I am not a fan of the dirt taste in my mouth.
     
  17. all_rhodesian_reject

    all_rhodesian_reject Sonskyn Elvis

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    African music is great


    My personal reccomendations would be the Springbok Nude Girls, Kalahari Surfers, Jimmy 12", Prime Circle, Diesel Whores....the list goes on...and on....

    Oh and, i'm probably the only African here which makes me better then you :D
     
  18. all_rhodesian_reject

    all_rhodesian_reject Sonskyn Elvis

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    I'd also like to make the point that not all africans are black....




    Thank you and good day.
     
  19. Crosslight

    Crosslight Banned

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    thank you for that bright piece of information.......
     
  20. all_rhodesian_reject

    all_rhodesian_reject Sonskyn Elvis

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    Lotta people are ignorant bra

    I tell people i'm african "but you're white" Ja, and your point?
     
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