If i know there is nothing to be gained...

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by Lying in a field, Jun 2, 2006.

  1. in taking at the expense of others, then why do i become sincerely wounded by all the greed and cruelty in the world? Because utlimately by knowing there is nothing to gain, i shouldn't worry about those who wish to take anything from me. but i do....

    I don't know, i just ask this question over and over, and it never really seems to get solved, it gets worse....

    Why do people choose to be bad, where it ultimately benifits nobody?

    but...

    Why should i care?

    and so on and so on....

    and it gets more complicated and I can never quite understand.
     
  2. Lodog

    Lodog Senior Member

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    It boils down to the simple phrase "Survival of the Fittest" Take or be Taken from.
     
  3. Eh, thats just a pretense, or a simple way of looking at things in order to make living easier. But thats all i ever achieve really, different angles. When i think about humans i rarely come close to anything that resembles pure truth.
     
  4. somedude

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    I think some line from Shakespeare is about how having money taken is nothing to be worried about because it has already been in the hands of thousands and will continually get given and taken, but taking someone's honor is the true offense because it belongs solely to that person.
     
  5. Lodog

    Lodog Senior Member

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    Simplicity breads practicality. Usually the most practical approach will solve your problem. Over thinking and worrying about shit you'll never change singlehandedly will just put you in an early grave.
     
  6. And survival of the fittest isn't what puts millions of overstressed working males in an early grave?
     
  7. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    well i know why i feel the way i do. it's because i know that the more suffering and harm, and causes of suffering and harm, people cause to exist, the more likely each and every last one of us, themselves, myself, and everyone else also, is to suffer otherwise needlessly as a resault of their doing so.

    and 'they' arn't all some conveniently scapegoatable 'they' either. 'they' are every last one of us, every time we fail to OBJECTIVELY take into account what kind of incentives the priorities we actualy live by are collectively, statisticly, creating.

    there may be individuals who appear notoriously greedy or otherwise backward headed, but remember their dominance is entirely dependent on our, each and every last one of us, priorities creating a 'market' for it.

    this is also my bone of contention with organized belief. that while i thourooughly appreciate the incentives they create for wanting to avoid causing suffering and harm, i am equaly and even more noneplussed by the incentives they also just as much if not more so, create for people to deceive themselves as to the means by which they do so.

    =^^=
    .../\...
     
  8. TheGanjaKing

    TheGanjaKing Newbie

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    if there is nothing in it for me, count me out.
     
  9. Raving Sultan

    Raving Sultan Banned

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    I'd rather inflict pleasure on the good and pain on the bad. But hey, that's just me.
     
  10. Lady of the Freaks

    Lady of the Freaks Senior Member

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    because you're a human being.
     
  11. TheGanjaKing

    TheGanjaKing Newbie

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    I'm a human, and I'm not moved by any of it.
     
  12. Lady of the Freaks

    Lady of the Freaks Senior Member

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    no you're not. ;)
     
  13. Inquiring-Mind

    Inquiring-Mind Senior Member

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    so simple and true.
     
  14. Firstly, i thought you hated capitalism. Secondly, while lodog professes that the most simple and practical way is the better, even that simple phrase carries a weight of complexity and produces a thousand questions.

    Who are the fittest? Are humans not on the top of the food chain because of our incredible ability to work together? Do we not have the added benefit of consciousness, which all these ignorant, greedy people don't actually practice?

    You're far more likely to be "taken" if you're part of a culture that promotes taking than if how we measured success was more to do with how we care for each other.
     
  15. Lodog

    Lodog Senior Member

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    What? How does this produce 1,000 questions? Give me 5 and you win.
     
  16. AshtonsMom

    AshtonsMom Banned

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    You care because you're human. Don't feel alone, it happens to more people than you think.
     
  17. Theres three.
     
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