Congress to Censor Hip Forums!!!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by skip, May 11, 2006.

  1. Annapurna

    Annapurna Banned

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    Ah yes, the military dictatorship. I get all tingly inside just thinking about it.

    Face it kids, Democracy doesn't work anymore. Look what it's gotten us: countless wars, political instability, Republicans, scandals, collapsing governments -- it's time for some control. This whole "by the people, for the people" thing had its day. Now it's time for the next generation of government to roll on it.

    So what if they want to close-down your forum and a bunch of other silly forums where American teens write meaningless crap about their day that no one neither reads nor cares about? It's not like humanity will come to an end now will it?
     
  2. kitty fabulous

    kitty fabulous smoked tofu

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    The US is not a Democracy. We've never been a Democracy. We invade sovereign nations and raise all kinds of global hell claiming to be spreading it, but we don't have it ourselves. We're a Republic, not a Democracy. We don't even vote for our leaders; we vote for the people who vote for them.

    As for the rest of the drivel in your post, I'm not even going to dignify it with a response.
     
  3. Annapurna

    Annapurna Banned

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    And your point?

    Also note that Democracy stems from the concept of a Republic -- the people elect the few to represent them in a governing body. Neither system works. The Roman Republic almost fell apart from it, and the US is already following suit. No matter what name you call it, this system of "government" simply doesn't work.

    Well I've got news for you, hunny: by telling me you're not going to reply, actually counts as giving a reply.
     
  4. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    Duh! The US has been on Amnesty's list for a long time for many reasons.

    So I guess by your reasoning, it's finally time to start worrying...

    The least you can do is inform yourself as to your country's dirty deeds IN YOUR NAME!

    Here's just their latest BRIEFING TO THE UN COMMITTEE AGAINST TORTURE

    "Amnesty International is one of the largest human rights organizations in the world with 1.8 million supporters in more than 100 countries"
     
  5. Liroy

    Liroy Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    If no one cares about it then why the fuck would they close it in the first place?
    But if they would start doing things like that, then it's yet another part that contributes to the "end of humanity".
    The more control the goverment get's, the less human you really are, seeing you are being bound to various rules, laws, restrictions, you know the deal.
    This is only my opinion though.
     
  6. shaman sun

    shaman sun Member

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    Just please be careful not to become like them. To force freedom and to force censorship. I dunno Skip. That doesn't sound too good. Would we not be the better half who allow even those who disagree . . . to speak?
     
  7. toni

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    So has/is the UK. I was making a half arsed joke about AI having a 'Police state' List. Any stretch of th..oh wait i'm within the hip forums. It is within the imagination of a fair few. ;)


    I am concerned by a lot of what AI highlight about the US and UK and all the other countries. I try and make a 'self assesment' on what they say. They have their agenda and i respect that. They ARE not infallable though, and it is MY right to disagree with them.

    Take for e.g the European Convention on Human Rights / charter , that they seem to suggest should be followed to the 'enth degree. Regardless of it's consequences. They sometimes don't see the wood for the trees. It is a double edged sword and a matter of opinion ofcourse. As highlighted with a fair few high profile cases ['Afghan hijakers' as a e.g].

    I'm less concerned about the US and the UK. As to a degree AI provide critiques. The US and UK and a few of the 'lesser' countries on 'the list' co-operate pretty much fully imho.

    A lot is accusations, to proclaim everything AI says is valid, is a little delusional. No offence to them or you.

    It's not 'my country' . I am from the UK. I have informed myself . As i said i was making ''half arsed joke''.

    I've already read it.

    I know.
     
  8. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    Ah, but those who disagree with FREE SPEECH, are for censorship, and for them it's just desserts.

    Some people need to experience censorship to understand not just how it feels, but what it means to have your views removed from the public eye.

    It's just as easy for someone, anyone, just ONE FUCKING PERSON to decide to censor a POV, and it could just disappear completely.

    And with anti-terrorism powers that they now have, PEOPLE can disappear just as easily as it is for me to ban someone here.

    This is an ongoing lesson taking place on these forums, but few seem to be smart enough to recognize its implications.

    Too bad, cause it means American society is truly fucked.
     
  9. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    "It's not 'my country' . I am from the UK."

    So? Your country is JUST AS FUCKED UP! Blair lied, just like Bush. Blair supported the invasion & occupation of Iraq. Blair's support has kept the war going, when most other countries have withdrawn their troops.

    The Brits have their own atrocities that they are covering up.

    You don't need to believe Amnesty International. Just read the freakin' news to see how fucked up your country is. Of course it's now a target for terror, thanks to Blair.

    He seems to be just as immune to public opinion as Bush. How sad for you Brits to see your Labor party brought down by the actions of one man. At least in America, it's taking the whole Republican party's corruption to do them in.
     
  10. steffan

    steffan puffin

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    like the faulklins and ireland, as well as numerous examples of gov, sanctioned religous persecutions. power coruptes no mater where you live.

    but dont count the U.S. as out yet, we came back from the macarthy era and we may yet come back from this, maybe stronger and freer, free er, (how the f8k you spell that word)? than ever
     
  11. shaman sun

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    I would be careful not to push this too far. The spirit of this place should be unconditional, and to allow even mock censorship is treading a fine line - make sure it's not something to become engrossed in. That way you do not become that which you are attempting to overcome. This is just friendly advice to you, Skip. I appreciate your work, and everyone else's - that being everyone who is a part of Hipforums and creates this community.

    American Society is not fucked if those who are still capable do not abandon it. The world is not without hope as long as we create that hope. It starts with you Skip, and everybody here. It is our responsibility for the shape of this society. Let's live up to our expectations.
     
  12. Rebel_1

    Rebel_1 Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    Skip, I believe very much in freedoms but by banning Megara you just took away his right under article 19, things arent just one sided here, everybody has a right to there opinion, My opinion is that no under age person should have the right to view or get involved in porn and other adult sites with strong content plain and simple.:sunglasse
     
  13. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    I've learned you can't be subtle with some people. I love demonstrating what happens when one individual has too much power. It's worth a thousand words.

    We all have responsibilities, but we must rid ourselves of expectations. That's just programming of one sort or another. The social programming has never been more sophistcated nor as effective as now.

    The media invade our lives with an underlying layer of cultural programming imbedded in everything. It's impossible to escape anymore and it's soulless homogeneity is reinforced by religious totalitarianism. Thus it's never been more important to offer alternative information.

    To free ourselves from the binds of the unconcious consumer program, we must challenge these beliefs head on. It's a cultural war I'm talkin' 'bout. We must become conscious of what is is our "natural" being, and what is just BS programming.

    Making nice chatty posts is a great way to pass the time, but it gets us nowhere. The problem we've always had is NOT KNOWING WHEN WE HAVE THE POWER, and HOW TO USE IT to change things.

    We are left feeling powerless, and that is the goal, to keep us that way, so we can't imagine creating a whole new society, and less likely to organize and manifest one.

    When you have power, you should use it for the good of all, selflessly. That's where our politicians have failed us.

    You all have the power of this forum, to say whatever you like, on any topic. In most cases you can expect more than a thousand people to read your words.

    ARE YOU WASTING THEM?

    Speak now while you still can...
     
  14. Rebel_1

    Rebel_1 Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    The onlything Im against is minors being abble to view porn, that is what im getting at here.
     
  15. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    What is UNDERAGE? You think YOU have the definition? Who are you to preach your morality upon the world?

    If your XTIAN morality requires you to condemn those seeking answers and a community of peers, then yes, you don't qualify to be a member of this site. Ultimately it's they who suffer, those teenagers that you condemn to ignorance, with your intolerance.

    You see what this site is about. Don't like it, leave. There are tens of thousands of other sites you could be visiting where you'll be more welcome.

    Close the door behind you. Don't need no draft coming from the Xtian right.
     
  16. Rebel_1

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  17. dudenamedrob

    dudenamedrob peace lily

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    personally I'm really digging all the banning of the neo-cons.

    -I support you Skip, give them a taste of thier own warped ideology.
     
  18. dudenamedrob

    dudenamedrob peace lily

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    I hear enough Xtian garbage and neo-con rhetoric in the mainstream media...........don't want to hear their bullshit here too.........all they (neo-cons, LIKE megara, toni) ever do is present the same tired rhetoric with an infallible attitude, arguing, making people talk in circles until it askews the original issue at hand and becomes a debate about some minor facet entirely............fuck them, go somewhere else and spew your unfounded lies and tout your western indoctrination.
     
  19. trippedelia

    trippedelia wow

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    at my school you cant look up anything about people like leary, or go to anything about books like "doors of perception" but you can still go to this at least.
     
  20. cerridwen

    cerridwen in stitches

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    Interesting.

    On one hand I think that it sucks that school boards or the gov't (or whoever it is that makes these decisions) make generalities about internet content and just ban everything from schools, which isn't fair for certain sites... And yet, on the other hand, I think that while kids are in school, their focus should be just school, and afterwards they can use the internet to their (or their parents?) descresion. (sp?) I dunno.

    Schools that ban sexual content websites disable students who use school computers to do research for a paper they write on rape, for example. Right? Wrong? Who knows.

    What's wrong with the direction of this thread is that we're attacking each other, unfortunately. Free Speech applies to everyone, irrigardless of your opinion. Granted I don't run this site nor am I a moderator... I can understand banning someone if they spam a lot or flame a forum, but I don't understand having someone banned because they happen to have a different opinion and they choose to express it. (un)forutunately that's become one of the guidelines of this forum, as it is in many other sites.

    Maybe it's just me, but if you've got an opinion about a protest or anything else, then by all means express it. But why do we need to fight over opinions that are different than our own?
     

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