Call your local recruiting office and ask about 4F

I just wanted to find out the specifics about a 4F deferment from Military Duty, for the Parenting Forum. This is what happened to me. (A similar post was placed on Parenting.)

Oh My God. I tried several search engines, and everything that may have helped my search was "file not found" or found NOTHING about the definition or requirements for 4F.


Here's the scary part. I called the FUCKING ARMY. (OK, I thought I would go straight the source.) I said I was writing something on 4F deferments. The person I got immediately asked "What media outlet are you from? What is your name and where are you?" I said I had every Constitutional Right not to answer that question, but that I was writing on 4F and CO work. (She didn't know what CO work was.) I was put on hold (they were probably putting a track on my phone line) and then she came back and said 4F was "only" for the draft, and something about "physical impariment" ect. That isn't true, but I didn't tell her that so I told her, nicely, instead of just reading HER definition to me , but I wanted something in writing, and if she would kindly give me a website or a periodical which described 4F and it's specifics I would appreciate it. She then says, "If you leave your name, address, SS number, phone number and who you are working for, someone will call you back and help you." (George Orwell?)

I said, "I don't think so. We do have a Constitutional right to privacy in this country, although it may be something you may not have been taught. I am NOT leaving my name, I can call back later, when the person is available." She goes, "Well, they (WTF?) want you to leave your information, so someone can get back to you. Can you do that? It is really important." What the fuck do they care about what I am writing? So I said, "NO, I will not leave any personal data with you. I pray YOU can get out of there as fast as possible and get your life and your mind back. I will maintain my privacy as long as those people in the White House alllow it, and hopefully after that. I pray you can find your own mind. God Bless you. And I hope you can get out of there before there is nothing left of you. Good Bye." And I hung up.

Fucking facists

So, I can't find the info on the net, or from the Horse's Mouth, so to speak. Fuck them all.

 

Oh, you may want to try, using *67 before you call, to contact your armed forces office and see if you can get the information.

I find it scary that this most vital information is simply not available to people.

 

Maggie, You really shouldnt be even slightly surprised by the Orwellian responses you received. This is and has long been the nature of our military, which exists not in accordance with the Constitutional mandate to merely protect American soil (the only soil it has any legitimate place operating) but rather serves globalist, expansionist corporatist aims, agendas and interests around the globe.

You might find these people more helpful in digging up the information on 4f deferrment you are seeking:

COMMITTEE OPPOSED TO MILITARISM & THE DRAFT (COMD) - COMD provides some of the very best up-to-date information about draft legislation, recruitment and military practices. They challenges the institution of the military, its effect on society, its budget, its role abroad and at home, and the racism, sexism and homophobia that are inherent in the armed forces and Selective Service System and fraudulent recruiting practices. COMD activities include legislation tracking, community education, direct action and youth outreach.

http://www.comdsd.org
P.O. Box 15195
San Diego, CA 92175
(760) 753-7518
(619) 265-1369
COMD@comdsd.org

 

Lick is right. The Army is not subject to Common Law. It is a corporation, owned by the America corporation. America is actually a corporation, not a country, and by registering as a citizen you are effectively agreeing to work for the corporation, pay taxes, and follow it's rules.

Anyway, when you register, a "corporation" is created from your name. Your name written in capitol letters refers to the corporation, not the living, breathing you. People make the mistake of believing this corporate entity is actually them, and therefore follow the rules of the Uniform Commercial Code. This is Contract Law. It's the purpose for creating the corporate straw men. The UCC applies to corporations, not human beings. But people have been tricked into thinking that these corporations with their names on them ARE them, and therefore take responsibility.

Anyway, I felt I shoudln't start on about the corporation without giving a basic overview. But back to the Army, it is a corporation that does not follow Common Law, but instead the UCC. It therefore serves the interests of the City of London, the hub of Illuminati activity on this planet. The world is run from this part of London, which is actually a sovereign entity, seprate from Britain.

So, not having to follow the law people think everyone is subject to, they can get away with a lot.

 

Thank you. I should not have been surprised. I will look into those links, Lick. I appreciate both your help.

Also, I signed papers at my kids' High School that they are NOT to be send recruiting information. They send it anyway. So, I take out any identifying data, tear up all the stuff in the envelope, sometimes add heavy things like gravel and send it back in the prepaid envelope.

I know it doesn't do much. But it makes me feel better.

 

For your own protection, Maggie, I would also suggest you befriend and retain a good Constituional Lawyer. Ignoring and avoiding the MIC is risky enough for the lone average citizen, but actively antagonizing them could be setting you up for some nasty repercussions.

Don't take anything for granted, especially the myths about your proclaimed rights. These folks are not concerned about disregarding the rights of anyone at home or abroad without the threat of high profile legal opposition.

 

I feel crappy that my first thought was "I shoulda shut my fuckin mouth." I am not afraid to call upon the Constitution when talking to some moron at our local recruiting office. I doubt this person even knows what it is. It was a phone call. I didn't call to antagonize them, I really wanted to know where I could get data on what constitiuted a 4F deferment.

I never got my data, either.

I am a little confused. What is the MIC? Military Industrial Complex? I am a little dense when it comes to anagrams.

 

Yes, Military Industrial Complex, sorry for using the acronym.

Though you may not have had the intention of antagonizing them, your suggestions to the person on the phone that they needed an education in the Consitutional (Bill of Rights) rights of US citizens, regardless of the truth of the assertion, is more than sufficient cause to put you on the bad side of such institutional attack dogs.

Nothwithstanding that, your reference to sending gravel back to them in prepaid envelopes is also cause to find yourself on the receiving end of a whole range of difficulties. When it comes to the elite-serving system as it has evolved up to the present day, mere phone calls from one agency to another could bring you harrassment from others ranging from local administrators to local, state, federal law enforcement, or worse.

Do not forget that it has become a well known fact that the NSA has average citizens under surveillance for perceived threat no greater than membership in grassroots accountability movements. Then of course there are well documented cases of normal folk increasingly finding themselves on "no fly" blacklists without any explanation nor available facility for doing anything about it.

The current admin has spent the last 5-6 years erecting a secretive police state which citizens should be prepared to see continue and grow well after this administration has passed the mantle to the next. No face lift switch to Democratic (Party) Congressional control will change that one iota. Take active steps now to have legal protection to hand when you or your loved ones need it is my best advice to you.

 

talking about avoiding the draft in public can be used against you.

http://www.pueblo.gsa.gov/cic_text/misc/selective-service/info4reg.htm here's a link that should explain all.

 

whomever the person you spoke to was just doing their job.

 

lol, why would homosexual men want to serve in the American military, anyways..

It seems like a way for wealthy people to avoid services, just pay some doctor and claim your mentally ill and physical incapable.

 

Agreed Jarhead.

You fucking hippies are always protesting the goverment and the wars we are fighting and the armed forces. Well guess what, those men and women in the army and navy and air force and the marines are dying for your right to protest them.