Why are Christians such homophobes?

Open your eyes. This is because for generations Christians have outcast other groups from societies, divided families and caused wars. It’s a stunning assumption that all non-Christians are anti god. Maybe just anti suppression.

 

I rest my case. I think you are displaying more satanic beliefs.

 

Kind of plays into adultery and sex before marriage. Yes, people should be educated about sex. But I hate to tell you that honestly, there is no such thing as safe sex. The only known method for not contracting the virus is to not have sex with someone you don't know. The most surefire way to not contract aids would be to not have sex until your married. Hence, why the church doesn't believe in condoms. But since not everyone is Christian, people have unmarried sex, and multiple partners (whom they hardly know most of the time), then aids will continue to spread. It's funny to me when people say that those who catch aids are misinformed. Since parents are too busy nowadays to actually sit and have a conversation with their children, then it's up to them to rely on other sources. There are countless public service announcements on on tv, we have sex education in school. It's virtually impossible for your typical teenager not to hear about how aids is spread.

No, 2,000 years ago the word homosexual was not used in the Bible. However, as clearly stated throughout this thread, there is mention of the act of sex between two persons of the same sex as a sin.

There are over 52 curses mentioned in the book of Deuteronomy. One of them is disease. Aids is a disease. One of the reasons God wiped out Sodom and Gomorrah was due to sexual immortality. 1 Corinthians 6:18 says, "Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body."

 

actually i see it as an organ, with a sexual function that can be used for pleasure in a loving relationship when it hightens bonding between two people who are in love, or to reproduce. I understand your ignorance and if you have any questions regarding homosexuality i would be happy to answer them.

 

AIDS was not caused by homosexual people and a lot of factors contributed to its spread, including blood transfusions. Meningitis is a disease as well but we have focused on AIDS because homosexual men are still being blamed as the only casualties of that disease. Please realise that rape played a huge part in the Sodom story and we are still talking about consensual sex between two adults in a loving relationship. I do find it offensive that its even used as a comparison in our debate, even more so because it highlights to me that we are still talking about very different things instead of debating the same thing.

 

May i ask a few general questions? This is just so as I can see why everyone feels the way they do about this and to get to know what everyone’s about a bit better.



Why do some of you think that i have chosen to be gay?

Why is it hard to believe when i explain that i have not chosen to be gay? Is it that you think that I’m misguided? Lying to myself? Lying to you? Trying to justify what i do? After all i believe you when you claim to be naturally heterosexual so I’m very curious to know why this doesn’t work the other way around.





As i am gay and you aren’t lets just say for arguments sake that i really can't help being gay. As this would mean that God had created me this way:



Would it then still be unacceptable for me to be in a loving sexual relationship with another woman?

Would you still think it was more acceptable for me to have a life of celibacy and solitude even although i would be happier and it would be more mentally healthy to be in a loving relationship?

Why would God create me in this way if he wished for me to remain alone while others have the pleasure of a lasting relationship?



If God see's us all as equal then why the emphasis on genitals? Are we not arguing over a few inches of skin?

 

Most people don't choose to be gay...they just are...

I don't really believe in illicit sex (homo or heterosexual)...but that is my own personal choice...I don't see why you can't have this kind of relationship...its your choice, your body...not mine...so who am I to tell you that its wrong or right?

No.

You could still have a lasting relationship with someone of the same sex...regardless of whether or not you slept with them...

We are not so much our bodies as we all individual spirit souls...when it comes down to souls, gender doesn't matter any more...spirit soul is beyond maya (illusion; materialism)...





....this is what I have to say about these things...many of you my not agree with me...but... oh well...

 

Casey, as you've probably guessed by now, there are alot of homophobic as well as ignorant people in this forum, as I'm sure you have come across in the real world as well. However, there are some in here who are not judgmental and realize that some people, not all, were born "gay." And some have chosen to be gay for personal reasons.

It still makes me laugh when closed minded, homophobic people can look at a person who is obviously gay and say that person "chose" to be that way. Like the ultra feminine man, or the very masculine woman -- we have all seen people like this and it is obvious that these folks were born that way, so get over it and accept them -- they are part of our society and the human race!

It sickens me that there are people in here like Warrior and Epiphany that preach the Bible with hate in their hearts. They don't speak for God or Jesus, they speak out of hate and intolerance. No wonder so much of the world hates the U.S. and wants to bomb the shit out of us. We can't even get along with the citizens of our own country, let alone the world community.

 

You cannot prove that unless you have faith. HOmosexuals will say they were born that way...but unless your one with God you will never know the true nature of man.

Only through a close relationship with God...thats when you realize that the heart is naturally wicked and that the Lord Jesus Christ came to save us all through the Cross.

Sin is sin...plain and simple...But you can repent. Thats what is so great about Christ. He gives us a chance to be saved from our bondage.

IF your gay...do you honestly and truely feel like, what your doing is natural and right?

Or are you ashamed and trying to cover it up?


God wants to help you....he will never turn away from your cries.

You just have to realize your sin and repent for it.

 

Wow, simpleman, are you sure there isn't some "tent revival" you're missing? You sound like a pentecostal preacher in here, ready to start speaking in tongues while your head spins around.

Why are you all so interested in other peoples genitalia and what they do with it? Are you sure you aren't just a little bit gay yourselves and this is the way to wash your own "sin" away, by trying to cleanse someone else? Really, if you're so obsessed with what other people are doing in their own bedrooms, in the privacy of their own homes, maybe you all just want to dabble in "gaydom." That's the only explanation I can think of for your obsession with the gay lifestyle.

 

In that same idiotic reasoning sweatininthesouth I guess you could say that non christians wish to dable in Christianity when they try t oremove our rights of prayer in the Schools, or to take God out of the pledge. Perhaps they are wanting to dable in Christianity when non believers force a Christian Judge to remove the 10 comandments from his court room. Or when groups rally to have a Bible removed from the front steps of a court house.

I don't care what you do with your genitalia, as long as you don't attempt to convince my child that what you do is ok. By making homosexual marriage legal yo uare sayign it is ok and sending a false message out to our children.

I really think it is funny when a non believer says "Well, God made me this way". Well, no He didn't. You choose to be homosexual. Just as a murder chooses to kill someone. Just as you choose what you want to eat at a restraunt. Just because you accept homosexuality does not mean that I have too. You choose not to believe in Jesus, I choose not to agree that homosexuality is ok.

And for the last freaking time. I for one do not hate anyone. If you run into a Christian that is preaching hate, then you just encountered a false Christian. I support human rights, the right to live, the right to work together for what is right, the right to fight against what is wrong. Homosexuality inside The Bible and outside of it is wrong and I support my right to fight against you and anyone else that thinks it is ok.

 

Well i'm from the uk and think highly of America. You shouldn't generalise your Nation on the views of a few idiots when there are plenty like yourself who are not so hot headed and hate filled.

 

Its not a sin to be in love

 

And what if your child grows up to be gay. Will you continue this "fight" against your own child too? How pathetic. You and your kind perpetuate the hate in this world, in the name of God. You are so blind.

To teach young children to hate and loathe others, because a group of people are different and they love in a way that you do not. You are the ones who are in desperate need of help, not the homosexual community.

My sister is gay. My children love her, their Aunt. I am teaching my children about love and acceptance of others who are different and that includes the gay community. My children will grow up to embrace others from all walks of life, including gays. My children are full of love for others, not hate, judgement and intolerance as you are poised to teach your children. I choose love, acceptance and tolerance to guide my children through their lives. They will be the wiser and happier for it. You have chosen intolerance and judgment to guide yourself and your children....you perpetuate the hate. It is that simple.

 

well its just plain bad manners not to know what you are fighting against. If you think that loving relationships are wrong then i hate to imagine what state your personal life is in right now. Just for the record it would surprise me if you even had one.

 

It's amazing you people even know how to read. It is getting quite frustrating that you continue to put words into my mouth and feelings of hate into my life when in fact there isn't any.

Well, I pray daily that God will guide my child and grant him wisdom. There is no doubt that Satan is strong and has the ability to entice people, the evidence is clear just looking at our society. Again I have to say that i hate no one. Shall I type it in caps so you will read it and understand it? I HATE NO ONE! Just because I do not agree with the sin does not mean I hate the person. When my father sinned and beat me I didn't grow up hating him. I surely held anger towards his actions, but with life comes growth and maturity, and with God comes understanding. I forgave him and still love him dearly with all my heart. You assume that if my son chooses to be homosexual(oh and by the way, quit calling people gay, that means happy, not homosexual) that I will disown him and stop loving him. I agree this world is harsh, but I am far from being close to this world. I would continue to love my son, and continue to pray for him. As a matter of fact I wouldn't put it past God to allow this to happen in my family simply just to test me and my faith. Well, as Job held onto his faith, so will I. sweatininthesouth, you don't know me and all that you continue to do is attempt to add something that isn't there. Just because I see the wolf dressed in a sheeps costume doesn't make me a bad person. But have no fear, soon your people with have their brief spurt of pleasure and feeling that they have won something. In the end however, you all will be begging and crying for forgiveness. It's a harsh reality, you can accept it now, or pay for it latter.

Thanks for showing your maturity here. You have no clue what that makes you look like. Anyways, as I have found out in other forums and other threads, it is impossable to talk with someone that reverts to name calling. It basicly shows their lack of brains and quicknes to put someone down to feel better about themselves. I remeber leaving Jr High and hoping all that name calling had ended, however, I was dispointed to find out it continued on into highschool, and with some immature people, past highschool. I guess sence we Christians are blanketed together as homophobes we can blanket homosexuals together as mindles morons that resort to name calling?

Yes, you mentioned earlier something about tests being done between heterosexual and homosexual males. Interesting. I wonder, did they studie these males from birth? Did they take a look at their dna, geene pool, brain waves, and any other criteria they might need at the birth of these people and then follow them daily and run tests on them? No, I don't think they did. So, until they do, and then say "ok, this one here from our estemates should be homosexual" and then watch and wait to find out in another 20 years, I won't believe it.

That is the smartest thing yo uhave said yet.

And then back to dumb again. I know exactly what I am fighting against, and when the time comes I will vote no against homosexual marriages. I don't recall saying that loving relationships are wrong. As a matter of fact, I strongly believe in marriage. Unfortunatly in todays society, men and woman most of the time get married for the wrong reasons. I for one am happily married to my wife and plan on upholding those vows that I said before God and witnesses, until I die. Just for the record, it would surprise me if you ever attempted to get to know me and understand me before attacking me. Wait, didn't i read in another thread where yo usaid you did this? Wait, wouldn't that make you a hypocrite?

 

No, actually I speak for the word of God. If you really knew me like you think you do, you would know that I don't hate anyone. And on a further note, in regards to this whole, "Christian homophobes", idea, I know quite a few homosexuals/bi-sexuals. I love them dearly as they are close friends of mine. I don't agree with their choice of sexuality, but I certainly do not stop loving them despite of it.


On a psychological note...... My theories of personality professor stressed on one of the biggest psychological theories of homosexuality. It is theorized that sexual preferences comes about at a quite early age. It is believed that during the oedipal period (between 4-5 years of age), that failure to identify with the parent of the same sex, results in identifying with the parent of the opposite sex. Thus, adapting to the ways of the parent of the opposite sex. It does sound quite interesting. Gay men are often more in touch with their feminine side, as gay women are often more in touch with their masculinity.
However, this is just a theory, as no psychological evidence has been found that can provide us with the answer of why someone chooses the sexual preference that they do. But, the Bible did prophecize that this will happen, especially towards the end times, when sexually immorality will run rapid.

 

If defending my right to exist on this planet and be in love is attacking then i guess i was. Yes i did say that in another thread but i didn't mean that i would just roll over and agree to your opinions in the meantime. It doesn't make me a hypocrite, as I am still willing to attempt to get to know you and any one else who is willing to know me.

 

So in other words, you love them despite the fact that you think that they're going to burn in hell for all eternity, along with the rapists and murderers of the world.

So in other words, you love them with the hope that they'll see the light and stop being gay.

So in other words, you pray that they'll one day be good little Christians who never sin, just like you. But you love them. Riiiiiiiiight. You "love the sinner hate the sin" types mostly only do the hating.

Yes, and blacks are more in touch with their watermelon-and-fried-chicken side, and Arabs are more in touch with their bombs-and-hostages side, and Mexicans are more in touch with their sombrero-and-taco side. You obviously have NOT been exposed to the gay community if you think these stereotypes hold any merit. Most gay people look and behave just like anyone else.

 

So this disagreement seems to be focused on 'choice'. It seems that to you its difficult to believe that someone could be born gay but it seems to me that its difficult to believe that anyone would choose to be gay. You can ignore what I’m telling you if you like and i don’t pretend to speak for all homosexuals when i say this, but, I, haven’t, chosen, to, be gay. I do choose to act on my sexuality, yes. But i do not choose to find women attractive instead of men.



It could be argued that religion is compensation for something lacking in childhood and that the subject's need to be heard and/or need to be accepted might have cause he/she to enter into the believe that an entity who he/she has never seen is somehow asserting control over him/her and the rest of the world. It could also be argued that he/she suffers great guilt over past experiences and turns to the belief in said entity as a direct result of this guilt. The subject might then go on to have 'conversations' (prayer) with this entity in which there is no direct reply. At times when the subject is unable to cope with grief, guilt etc they are prone to 'talking to themselves' and/or reading from a book that was written thousands of years ago, written by someone who he/she has never met. In extreme cases he/she may project this delusion onto family and friends, this is especially true when they do not agree with a situation. Children are as especially susceptible to bombardment of these 'beliefs' by a parent but in many cases the child will later suffer from feelings of resent toward the parent in question and the parent/child relationship will be strained as a result.



The book itself is full of contradiction and on the whole open to interpretation on many matters. Many of America's serial killers and mentally ill patients have been known to quote this book and practice what they believe to have been ordered to do by the entity in question. The 'bible' in some parts insinuates that the use of violence (stoning etc) is acceptable. It also insinuates that if a person/group does not follow the book that they are evil and will be punished by the entity when the world ends.

You see my point? We could all speculate about what is and isn't true.