Dog tags glorify war (?)

I guess if you take all that out then Vietnam did fine. I mean, they had lots of sunshine right? They must have been happy.

 

better we bomb these people?It was only after we left that Nam went through it's metamorphosis and became what it has.We could have stayed and supported a puppet government.That would have worked until we left.

 

Please buddy, tell me to stay out of this one.......

 

once the mushroom clouds cleared up...

 

that would be oppression

 

I already said...oppress me!

 

thread is pointless



tv music media promotes war

 

Yeah, it started out that way too.

 

especially toby keith

 

I never said that. You're the one who said Vietnam did fine.

Entering Vietnam was a bad idea, and pulling it out may have led to passifying Vietnam after the Sino-Vietnamese war or whatever it's called.

That doesn't mean that the country was doing fine. Better then the alternative in this case, maybe. I don't really have any idea what Vietnam would have been like if we stepped up operations. probably a lot of casulties. There were a lot of reprisal casulties. The reprisal attacks killed about a hundred thousand people, and it might not have taken long for that toll to have been reached by continuing operations.

Both options we're pretty unaceptable, which is why we shouldn't have gotten in Vietnam to start with.

but the situation in Iraq is unanalogous in terms of military strategy to the north Vietnamese.

We shouldn't have got in Iraq in the first place, but we should review the situation carefully before we leave a brewing sectarian war, saying, Iraq will be fine.

If we decide that Iraqs security would be better if we left, then we should, but it's not exactly 'simple'.

 

We could have stayed another 30 years then left,then they would have gone through what they did,killing each other then they'd be fine.When we interfere we only prolong the problem.Kinda like Korea.

 

Our kuddly 90's relationship with China makes that all pretty irrelevant 30 years later.

You're advocating a foreign policy of lethargy.

Lethergy doesn't hold up. You can't hope a genocide will just tire itself out. It won't. Not before countless lives are taken.

North Korea isn't really 'fine'. Not in terms of economy, or standards of living, or poltical dissent. It's a totalitarian society, with massive famines. The famines of the 90's after Jong Il became ruler killed millions, more people then the Korean wars did. If the Korean war hadn't taken place, would those numbers be doubled?

It doesn't matter in terms of how we act now. Genocide's unacceptable, and comparing cold war large scale ground wars to defeat communism, in which the battle was largly between us and Chinese to humanitarian intervention in nations which beg for help, is asinine. l

 

you are the worst poster ever

 

i'm not a poster,i'm a calender.

 

Man you use some big words.i used metamorphus but i stole that from an iron butterfly album.i do know what asinine means and i did forget that iraq at least someone over there was begging for our help.i hope we didn't kill that someone.That would be a bummer.

 

and North Korea isn't really fine but then we've been fucking with them for years.

 

On Nov. 20, U.S. Marines spokesman Capt. Jeffrey Pool issued a statement saying that on the previous day a roadside bomb had killed 15 civilians and a Marine. In a later gunbattle, U.S. and Iraqi troops killed eight insurgents, he said.

U.S. military officials later confirmed that the version of events was wrong.

Murtha, a vocal opponent of the war in Iraq, said at a news conference Wednesday that sources within the military have told him that an internal investigation will show that "there was no firefight, there was no IED (improvised explosive device) that killed these innocent people. Our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them, and they killed innocent civilians in cold blood."

Military officials say Marine Corp photos taken immediately after the incident show many of the victims were shot at close range, in the head and chest, execution-style. One photo shows a mother and young child bent over on the floor as if in prayer, shot dead, said the officials, who spoke to NBC News on condition of anonymity because the investigation hasn't been completed.

One military official says it appears the civilians

 

So, he did a few dictionary pages in detention..EH? LOL

Incidently, Iraq wasn't begging us to go over there....we were begging for oil. (and the Bush family was begging for payback..at the expense of our soldiers* and Iraq's citizens)

*several countries' soldiers actually

Before all hell breaks loose here...yes, I know that was an oversimplification.

 

hehe. assuming again, are ya? you really shouldn't do that, it looks silly. a war for material items (oil, land, whatever) isn't a just battle. seriously, don't post before you think.

 

assuming what?finish your post before acting so smart..