Feel The Draft Yet?

If not, you will soon.
According to the White House, president jr. is going to deploy the Nat'l Guard along the border.
The problem is our Nat'l Guard is streched to the breaking point because of bushco's wars in Afganistan & Iraq.
We saw during Katrina's aftermath just how thin it was, when troops from La.'s Nat'l Guard were sent home (some of them) to help the victims.

Some troops in Iraq are on their 3rd tour of duty, because there is no one else.

I believe that the main thing different between Viet Nam and now is there is no draft now. During Viet Nam there was a draft and people were being sent to war against their will. People got pissed at the gov't taking their kids away to die in a foreign country for no good reason.

Already, without a draft, the majority of American's see the war is wrong. With the draft re-instated they will start demanding that bushco bring our troops home.

 

the draft is unnecessary, america has a raft of poor and malnourished on which it can feast on and send into battle. this is why the middle class has been quiet - because it doesn't affect them.

 

Didn't we hear this like a year ago? And a year before that? I think it used to be on Skip's sig too. He quietly dropped it.

There is not going to be a draft.

 

I beg to differ. There will be a draft, but only once sufficient terror has been introduced to make people accept it. If they could instate it without causing a revolt, they would have by now.

 

the draft is always coming to america...just like the october surprise.... What is it this elections? Is george bush gonna unveil osama to maintain republican control of congress? Is george bush gonna take down the sears tower? Will he bomb canada in a campaign to instill fear into the american people?


Isnt it funny that those who criticize bush of fearmongering are themselves the worst examples of it?

 

I don't believe the draft will be reinstated.

I think the lesson of the 60s/70s was learned and they realized that the whole movement was nearly wiped out once they stopped the draft.

Americans are too apathetic and lazy to do anything now. I would say that re-instituting the draft would wake them back up and push for another cultural revolution, but I don't see it happening.

Sadly, even IF it were put back in place, most Americans nowadays are so brainwashed they'd march right off like it was the 1940s instead of the 1960s/70s.

 

exactly, there is no need for one.

 

If we in the U.S. have an unlimited number of people ready to march off and die, why are we keeping troops in Iraq past the date when their tour of duty is up?
If our military isn't stretched to the breaking point why did jr send some troops from the Lousiana Nat'l Guard home to help with Katrina's aftermath?
And now he wants to station thousands more on the border.
Where are these soldiers going to come from? If people are eager to line up and enlist why haven't they?
And what happens when the next national disaster hits? Earthquakes, massive forest fires, floods, riots, hurricanes to name a few.
Take what happened with the L.A. riots post-Rodney King. The cops ran away and hid, it took the military to restore order.
When all the volunteers are in Afganistan, Iraq, possibly in Iran and on our border, where is the new cannon fodder coming from if all hell breaks loose here in or elsewhere the U.S.?
With jr's announcement of using the military to secure our borders, politicians are already discussing re-instating the draft.

 

the poor and immigrants, this is an old trick from the civil war i believe

 

what politicians?

the only politician i've heard who has mentioned the draft in the past few years is that charlie rangel guy...and he did it as a publicity stunt...

 

There will be a draft. The decision to attack Iran is absolute, it's a done deal, and there's nothing anyone can do about it. It will happen. The decision has already been made, and Bush has already been trying to provoke Iran into bombing our troops while they're outnumbered and pinned down in Iraq.

We could probably get by with an invading army of under 800,000, assuming that the goal is a long-term stalemate and source of lots of military contracts, but no actual success. Or more if the goal is to eventually win. Figure about million draftees if all goes well, and no other nations join the conflict.

If other nations join in, we could see a draft of ten million people, easy. According to the CIA web site (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html), there are 54,609,050 American males "fit for military duty" if needed in a draft. The CIA is working on the (reasonable) assumption Bush will draft people as old as age 49.

Personally, I think a draft would be morally wrong, unless only voters who registered as Republicans are drafted. They'd be wonderful as cannon fodder.

 

i don't think the us does drafts anymore, the iran "crisis" is one of americas making. as i said before, there are enough poor people and stupid people who encourage the war and need to participate in it to make money/career. governments have learnt from vietnam that when you earn the ire of the middle class by sending their sons to war they vote your out of government out of office by hook or by crook. there will be no draft unless george bush junior is stupid enough to throw the republicans out of power for 10 years or so. as there are obviously more poor people in the us than any other class it is obvious to assume that generally these poor people also vote the way they are told by the preacher etc. from this one would garner that generally these people don't think very much for if they did bush would never made to office, hundredsof billions of dollars could have been spent on social welfare, what about a war on poverty? no it is very clear that they don't think.. the middle class on the other hand are rich and educated, as a minority it is this group that needs to be catered for - a draft just pisses them off.

 

Exactly, a draft already exists it is called the poverty-draft.


35 million Americans are under the poverty line and 45 million cannot afford health care.

 

Well, there was a bill introduced in Congress a year or two ago to reinstitute the draft. Nothing much was ever said about it. I actually believe that Bush is deliberately stretching the military thin (such as along the Mexican border) to eventually make a case for the draft being reinstated. I think ideally he'd like to militarize the whole fucking country. Screw Bush and his cohort of warmongers.

 

There's not going to be a draft, get over yourselves.

 

That's because Rangel, the Democrt who introduced the bill, was doing it as a PR stunt. Nobody wanted the draft, there was no backing from anybody in the administration or the military, and the bill died 402-2.


This bill was introduced as a scare tactic and to pour fuel on the fire of draft rumours. Obviously it worked.

 

Okay, just ignore the facts, bring up different facts that and shoot those down.

I don't think anyone disputes the fact that we'll be in an all-out war with Iran very soon. We aren't even negotiating (a point that has disgruntled more than a few distinguished conservatives, see http://www.belgraviadispatch.com/2006/05/the_talk_to_iran_caucus_grows.html for quotes and sources). It's a done deal, Bush has already made the decision, and I don't think anyone here is so naive as to disagree with me on that observation.

If we send all available troops, there still simply won't be enough- congress will have to choose between a major devastating loss, or a draft. Maybe only a draft of a million or so people. Or, while we're busy, if China decides to take Taiwan and North Korea decides to vaporize Seoul, maybe ten million. Or twenty million. Who knows? Maybe more.

It won't be a silly stunt like we've seen in the past, it will pass, and it's probably already too late to do anything about it, no matter how well we organize, gain public support, and fight to stop it. All we can really do is arm up now, and prepare to go down firing when they come for our kids.

 

And you say it's only Republicans who engage in fear-mongering.

 

america needs war, america needs oil if you can have both then everyones happy.

 

actually, america needs the blood of muslim babies...we just use oil as a pretext for our motives. It sounds better, ya know?