200 mg 2-CE / 500 mg MDMA

Well, we should be looking at 5/20/06 for the next date. Hopefully I can find a new supplier by then since my Dutch supplier got bitch-smacked (I wondered why I got 500 mg 2-CE for 1/2-off on my last order).

I do have trades for suppliers of various compounds and other non-psychedelics-related-items, of course.

@Flow: I most definitely recommend (to you, of course...not to the amateurs) attempting atleast a 150+ mg dose of 2-CE; the 70 mg dose I ate last night (which would have normally thrown me into full-body-convulsions) honestly made me realize that the 30-40 mg doses were merely "active" doses. While dozens of other reports may challenge this, I DO know that none of the side-effects I normally experienced with lower dosages were present, and when compared to the present data of such high-end psychedelics, could only present the conclusion that, indeed, 2-CE is only truely "active" at doses of 50+ mg, with a standard recreational dose of 100-200 mg.

I will never eat less than 200 mg of 2-CE again.

 

I don't understand.

 

Err, the last time I ordered deuce from that supplier, he shipped me 500 mg (as opposed to the 250 mg I actually paid for). Definitely not a bad deal @ $60...though I take it they were cleaning out "excess stock" before the new guys took over.

 

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Looks like dosing will have to wait until early June, at the best. Unfortunately I can't afford my necessary dosage at the moment (1.5 - 2 grams).

I can touch it, I can feel it...

 

jow, Eat some

good to hear you survived your experience and all - but i do wanna say that it's your DUTY and responsibillity when posting reports like these you have to add some sort of warning in capital letters saying that this is a very high dose and that other people already have died or got in alot of trouble from doing less than the ammount that you did.

you just have to be aware that there are alot of people that get intrigued by this report and might do stupid things if they arn't warned enough.

you could say it's there choice - but i think it's also your responsibility to keep the information on rc's as safe and accurate as possible. your report is already on erowid so alot of people will read it.

please do think about others when reporting something.

 

I'm not sure how many times I can state, clearly, that such a dosage isn't safe for the unexperienced...I believe I (and Erowid, for that matter) have put the point across concisely.

Would you care to link to these fatal 2-CE overdoses you speak of?

 

Not safe for the unexperienced? This kind of dose is not safe for anybody, and you also combined it with a large dose of MDMA. I don't give a fuck how experienced you may be this is dangerous behaviour and to go on to suggest that 2-ce is "only truly active at 50mg+" is hugely irresponsible.

 

lol, as irresponsible as reading one post on a forum and trying to "be like ike"?

 

There are alot of impressionable 14,15,16 year olds here that will attempt to recreate this experience.
that is why a warning is necessary.
iv noticed alot of irresponsible behaviour among the kids here, so it should be up to some of us older more experienced folks to teach them the ropes.

meaning, all u kids out there, start low and work your way up.
i recomend 10mg as a good starting dosage (and remember to use an accurate scale.)

 

I understand what you guys are saying, but honestly; if a kid's impressionable enough to read my post and just start off with 200 mg for a first dose, he's going to hurt himself eventually anyway, and probably doing something much riskier (IMO) than 200 mg of deuce...you can't really push the blame off on me for their inability to do their homework before starting with a totally sane, say, 10 mg dose?

IMHO, trying a 70 mg dose awhile after the 200 mg dose seriously only felt comparable to an "active" dose of LSD. I can't change the way I react to a substance, sorry, but our bodies simply do not work that way.

I made it pretty clear that I recommended The Flow to attempt a high dosage, and I also think it's pretty obvious that he's not an "impressionable kid", but an experienced head who's consumed heavy doses of the related 2-CB.

 

they might think - "he pulled it off - why won't I ?"

enough kids that think like this.

just keep it safe - it's no effort scaring a person so he won't do stupid things.

i'm not blaming you - but you can help as an experienced user ... there already has happend alot of stupid things with rc's.

 

I'd hope that my endless posts on here about extreme dosages and bleeding-edge chem-ingestion would guide a young one right, but in case any youngin's are reading and need a little guidance:

NEVER experiment with a compound you know nothing about, or infact, EVERYTHING about. I spent nearly a month of researching before ingesting 2-CE for the first time.

ALWAYS start with a >1mg (less than 1 mg) dose to test for allergies; after that, start with the intial dose as stated BY EROWID. This is the standard dosage, as accepted by community, and should cause no harm if no other factions are involved.

GRADUALLY increase dosage...my 200 mg dose was after nearly three years of experimentation and gradual upgrading of dosage of this ONE COMPOUND. Even if you've been eating acid since you were 3 and were born a heroin addict, you don't know this SPECIFIC compound unless you've experimented with it like I (or some other adults here) have.

And, finally, don't believe anything you read on an Internet forum; I could just be making this shit up, in it's entirety...in reality, I just dropped 5 mg of 2-CI, and since I'm a young, dumb teenager, I now have HPPD for the rest of my life and am unable to even comandeer an automobile due to my disorder.

kthx.

BTW, yes, I saw the "180 mg of SUPPOSED 2-CE Ingestion" on Erowid and thought the same; guess what? While the weak may wither away in the ashes of my burn, many more may experience guidance in my light...

 

I'm way outside my knowledge range here, but I'll interject some outsider views...

What makes you invincible? So you're experienced, I won't argue that... does that mean you are impervious to overdose? Heroin addicts know their limits and they still step over the line man. Just because you are an expert with psychedelic threshholds doesn't mean your physical shell can handle whatever you want to subject your mind too.

From a more inexperienced, reality based person... your viewpoints smack of self-righteous drug abuse behavior. Just because you try to write it out like Albert Hoffman doesn't mean you're doing anything more then putting your life at risk in a stupid stupid situation.

Again, don't take this as personal criticism. I am admittedly outside of my realm here, but I won't be surprised when you drop off the face of the internet - and we here of a irresponsible kid killing himself with 2c-whateverthefuck

My 2c, peace and much respect

 

A very good post, Stig. I'm not sure if your a Psychedelics reg or not, but I greatly appreciate your enthusiasm.

Nowhere did I say I am "invincible". The fact that this statement is conjured with the likeness of "self-righteous drug abuse" actually amuses me to a great extent. Which is it? Do I hate myself, or do I love what I do on the weekends? Nay, fuck it.

You may have some sort of "family," some sort of "friends," unfortunately for some us, we really have nothing to lose. Family? 4th-Generation wife-beating alcoholic. Friends? A total sum of three decade-long friends have not only ratted me out to the police on several occasions, but ripped me off for $3,000 in the process.

You may have some sort of "girlfriend" (she'll stab you in the back later, trust me), or some sort of "friend" ("fiend" is more like it), or even some sort of "useful hobby" to attach yourself to (it get's boring after awhile)...but unlike you and some of your Conservative friends, my friends and I spend our SPARE time ingesting more-than-lethal amounts of cutting-edge psychedelic compounds to further insure that our children are safe from harm when, 20 years from now, your kid's ingesting a 200-mg-cut-with-2-CE "Ecstasy tablet" YOU won't have to waste 6 hours of a worknight to insure your child's safety, and subsequentially, a day of work, because Weekend Warriors like I managed to push the envelope beyond critical bounds and earlier proved that what your child ingested...is merely safer than Tylenol.

I actually have alot to lose; family, friends...and I actually understand that even more since I began experimenting with research compounds, in fact, more than I ever did when I was sober. There are people like you, fucking wimps enveloped in their "safe society," always waiting for someone to hand them life on a silver platter; and people, like me, who get kicks out of experiences that you'll never even taste...

...here's your silver fucking platter, sir.

 

I would like to point out (for my two pence anyway) that many persons consider there to be a marked difference between a psychonaut and a two legged lab rat. The former is deeply interested in the exploration of the human psyche (take that to mean ‘mind’ or ‘soul’ as per your own personal Greek predilections). This exploration may or may not involve chemical methods of inquiry. A two legged lab rat (or chemical test jockey if you prefer) is someone who is in effect recklessly dosing, or if they are ‘researching’ anything it is LD50 values. Now it may in fact turn out that many of the so called ‘research chemicals’ are found to be very safe, we don’t yet know. What is know at present, is that at least some of them have proved to be lethal at doses not drastically above those that people had previously thought safe.

If someone makes a conscious decision to take extreme risks that is one thing. If they try to call it in any way ‘safe’ or imply that others suffer from a lack of fortitude for refusing to follow suit or pay them homage, that is quite another matter entirely.

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@illuminati: I totally agree. Some of these kids simply want to destroy themselves...so much potential, wasted, on a fucking research chem.

If I'd known about it earlier, I would have linked to:

illuminati boy's research guide, which, IMO, should actually be stickied on the top of the page. A very good "starter guide" to decide if you're ready, or not, for chemical research or not. A very fascinating read for newbs, period.

 

I agree that IB's RC guide should be stickied. It's needed more here than on bluelight, based on some of the posts I've read. By the way, I'm in my 30's, very experienced with phychedelics in general, and 2c-e in particular, and no way would I do 50 mgs, let alone 200.

 

hey I want a plate of silver! no no wait, i mean a plate of fluff.

I could really see where this thread was going lol from a couple pages back. eat you better call your lawyer to write you a disclaimer, wouldn't wanna get sued haha

 

For those interested, the Safer Research Chemical User’s Guide (note safer, not safe) was posted to this forum in January as well. It can be found HERE.



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