Homosexuals

Okay, this is something that has been bother'n me for awhile.

We as Christians (well 80% at least) attack homosexuals(in church and out) for being gay. Yet at the same time we have hetrosexuals sleeping out of wedlock and lusting after people. My question is if the ones in church keep the same standards we all should and abstaine from sex before marriage then are they really commiting a homosexual act?


I know that probley made NO sense...But shouldn't our primary focus be on waiting till marriage then sexual prefrence?

I.E if they try to refrain from sexual acts (like your suposed too) then are they really doing anything wrong? A friend of mine is a lesbian and I asked her jokingly how a lesbian could be homosexual if by defention they aren't having intecourse(By this I mean intercourse = pentration no?) She told me that its not always about sex or physical pleasure...For some people they just enjoy the love and attention.

Sorry for the confusion in all this.

 

I agree Poetic Romance. I think who you're doing the hoochie coo with in that regards isn't the sin...It's when.

 

If you're gay and you accept Jesus as your savior then you believe your sins were atoned for and therefore it isn't a sin to be gay.

I think premarital sex is worse, as one risks bringing an unwanted child into the world. But again you are forgiven. Nobody really ought to be attacking anybody else if they're a Christian.

 

Explain what your last post has to do with this topic.

 

He still has to repent and if he is still doing it did he truely repent?

anyways back on topic

 

Did you read my post by any chance?

 

What sins? I mean, I don't believe in the concept of sin to begin with. You can never be separated from God. God has the property of being eternally forgiving. Plus, God created us out of himself. God can't create us out of anything but himself, because in the beginning God is necessarily all there was. A house divided cannot stand. How can God stand if he is set against himself?

Repent? As in stop raping little boys? But if he believes in Jesus he can't believe he has ever sinned, for the sins of man were absolved in Jesus' blood. That's the whole point. So he has nothing to repent of. All he has to do is keep on believing Jesus died for his sins...or choose not to believe in the existence of sin.

 

Main Entry: 1re·pent
Pronunciation: ri-'pent
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French repentir, from re- + pentir to be sorry, from Latin paenitEre -- more at [size=-1]PENITENT[/size]
intransitive senses
1 : to turn from sin and dedicate oneself to the amendment of one's life
2 a : to feel regret or contrition b : to change one's mind
transitive senses
1 : to cause to feel regret or contrition
2 : to feel sorrow, regret, or contrition for

Satan belives in Christ, he also knows he died and the reason he died...Does that make him saved???

Christ did die for our sins but that dosen't mean its "once saved always saved" it says "nothing can pluck you from the hand of G-d"(or something like that) but it also says G-d can blotch you out of the book of life.

You have to do more then belive...

 

Is Satan merely a man? Jesus died for mankind's sins, but Satan has also been described as an angel. My personal theory is that Satan is merely a symbolic representation of 'doubt'.

If you are still capable of sin, even after your sins were washed clean in Christ's blood, then your sins were not washed clean in Christ's blood. If Satan is merely a man and if our sins were atoned for by Jesus' crucifixion, then I have to believe that Satan is saved.

 

My use of Satan was simply to show that you have to do more then belive.

When we accpet Christ he does wash away our sins but that dosen't mean we are uncapable of sin. Sin is an action against G-d.

We were delivered from our past sins. Once Delivered we must live for G-d and keep our Faith.

From way I understand what your saying it sounds like Once you recive Christ blood he takes away ALL our future sins to leaving you unable to sin. If thats the case why must we pray and have faith?

For this disscousion to continue we must assume the preist is saved. We must also assume that he dosen't know what he is doing is wrong.

Lets say he is saved. If he is doing something he Knows is against G-d he is sinning against G-d. Chirst blood delivers us it dosen't makes us a sin free machine.

Your salvation is something you must work at and grow in. Not take Christ blood then go out and rape kids and waste your life away.

Keep In mind that Preist has hell to pay. Remeber when Christ said "Who ever causes one of these little ones to sin. It will be better for him to jump into the Ocean with a mill stone around his neck?"

Christ gave us 3 commandments

Love God
Love Others as I've loved you
and Love yourself (not in an egotiscal way)

Does he truely love others if he his raping the kids and hurting their parents?

There is more to salvation the the Cure-All Blood.

 

You've failed to show that, then. If you can't show that Satan is a man you can't show that Satan must be saved because he necessarily believes in Jesus.

If you don't accept Christ then he doesn't wash away your sins with his blood. Therefore he didn't die for your sins, only the sins of those who accept him. Why should you accept that Christ died for your sins if he didn't?

You are delivered from your past sins, and your sins are always in the past. How can you be held accountable for sins you haven't committed?

You don't have to. You choose to, because you care. God loves you so much that you are forgiven whether you believe in him or not. If God will not give you his unconditional love he does not deserve yours.

Why must we assume that he doesn't know what he's doing is wrong? Can you not be saved if you knowingly sin? Then no one who believes they have sinned is saved.

If he is doing something against God he is sinning. But he can't possibly be doing anything against God because his sins were atoned for in the blood of Christ.

I'm not saying that Jesus didn't speak the truth. What you do unto the lowest of men you literally do unto yourself. That is just a fact of life. If you're smart you won't hurt other people; you'll try to help them, because in fact you're healing yourself. But if you do hurt someone else you will be forgiven. There is nothing you can possibly do to get God to abandon you.

Hell, if anything, is separation from God, which is only an illusion. What I'm saying is that you are not separated from God. You are one with God; the spirit of God dwells within you. If you do something that offends you, God, you will loathe yourself, but you won't truly be separated from yourself. You'll only believe you've done something wrong. Stop doing that which offends you and you will believe in your divinity.

Notice that 'accept Christ into your heart' is not listed.

Yes, he truly has love. He doesn't see that if he is cruel God is cruel, and he therefore risks suffering cruelty at the hands of God. If he were smart he would not endanger himself this way.

"The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom." (Proverbs 9:10)

Then save yourself.

 

ok, so what's the big deal with sex before marriage? i mean, i'm not saying everyone should go around having sex with everyone, but come on. is it really that big of a deal? it seems to me that god would have given you the "parts" so to speak for a reason. to use them. and yes, there is the danger of conceiving an unwanted child, and i understand how touchy the subject of abortion is. but if 2 people are smart and mature, that really isn't an issue. and as far as homosexuality goes, they are people too. if your christen you beleive god made everyone. it's a genetic thing, not a choice, that's been proven. i person can't help but be gay anymore then a blind person can help from not being able to see.

 

Pop Terror, I have a head cold and have taken tooooooooooooo much allergy medican and I'm having a hard time understanding some of your statments so I'll try to post on it tommorrow though. But if there is anything you want me to read/answer/comment on tonight feel free to tell me and i'll do my best. Cause honestly I don't know the left from right at the momenat

 

But are you really smart and mature if you're willing to risk that at all?

PoeticRomance...that's okay. I get so tired of making my argument. I don't even really want to make it, except I believe it's the truth. You're probably just going to get on tomorrow and make me make it all over again. lol Hope the cold gets better.

 

well are you really smart and mature if you get into a car? you could get into a crash, and die. i mean, everything you do involves risk. but we are creatures of flesh. i'm very much about "to each his own" but is it right for christians to say pre-marital sex is a sin? i mean, sex is a beautiful and amazing thing. but it's not life altering. i think far too many people wait till the first night of their marriage, and then they're a little disapointed after their no longer virgins. theres too much hype. also, i think the whole "wait until you married thing" creates another problem. when you take your vows you say "until death do us part" but so many people then go on and get a divorce. i think people want sex soooo bad that they rush into marriage without really thinking "do i really want to spend the rest of my life with this person?" also, the arguement could be made that by sleeping with mulitiple people, you will lead a richer fuller life. it won't be mundane. also, not all people are sexually compatiable. it's just a fact. i'm sure you've heard this, but, would you buy a car before giving it a test drive? i mean, you should really make sure you 2 will work in that way too before deciding that you should spend the rest of your lives together.

 

Thats cool, yeah an argument can usely go so far before it gets recycled and reused, though I would like to talk about what you said here another day when we are both up to it lol.

Thanks man...Ick 3rd shift for the loss ><

 

Getting in a car is a little different. Everyone takes the risk with their own lives when they get in a car, and one's life is their own responsibility. If you put a helpless child in a car that might be a different story, depending on how unholy it makes you feel.

It is almost mature to get in a car and take that risk with your life in a way, because it subliminally suggests to everyone that death is not something to fear. But if you intentionally steer into oncoming traffic, don't be surprised if you get hit by a car.

I don't think it's right for Christians to say anything is a sin if they truly believe Christ died to absolve mankind of its sins. He who is without sin cast the first stone, but beware: Throwing rocks at people is mean.

lol You should be able to work together without sex if you truly love each other. What if your lover should be paralyzed in an accident? You should know you can love her even though you can't have sex with her. Unless she still lets you have sex with her, which would be something.

You don't have to have sex to have a meaningful relationship with a person, I mean. But you won't be damned no matter what you do. You are destined for glory, because God loves you.

This is what I know. A typical Christian might just tell you you're going to Hell if you have premarital sex, but that if you accept Jesus you'll be forgiven and then everything will be okay. And then you'll just go ahead and have pre-marital sex anyway and later pray to Jesus to make it all right, as though it isn't already all right. And you'll think it's all right and do it again and pray to Jesus again, etc.

 

No. If you believe in Biblical Creation, god created Adam out of dust and Eve out of his rib.

1) That is not how substitutionary atonement (of Christs suffering and death on the cross) works. It works in that if you believe and truly repent your past sins, they will be forgiven, and then for any future sins, if you are penitant and ask for forgiveness you will be frigven through the blood of Jesus.
2) Not all Christians believe in this doctrine.

Please enlighten me to what a typical Christian is.

 

According to substitutionary atonement, if he is truly sorry for what he did, then yes, though he cosmic transaction (that I don't understand) that is the substitutionary atonement of Jesus Christ.

PS- I as implying in my point #2 that I don't belive in substitutionary atonement.

 

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