Help Bring Gas Prices Down!!

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by RavenTheDarkAngel, Apr 11, 2006.

  1. hippypaul

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    Technology may have been what got us into this mess, however it is the only thing that is going to get us out of it. Unless you are willing for about 4 and 1/2 billion people to give up their place on this mud ball.
     
  2. Last Stand

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    If Gas keeps going up expect this = recesion . civil unrest . and maybe even a civil war. or a French 1800s type revolucion .
     
  3. Last Stand

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    Oil was serius enough for the japs to bomb pearl harbor in 1941. i think americans might bomb theyr own oil companies next.
     
  4. Amanda's Shadow

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    everyone start carpooling too
     
  5. pschool

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    my bagpipe band played for the exxon people when they were in utah, and i met the president of exxon, and i refused to shake his hand, it was kinda sad because he was in a wheelchair and he was like 80, but i just couldn't shake his hand
     
  6. Bryngelson

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  7. WYTCHMOM2

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    But whose wages? my $8.75 or the 'average' american wage of $17.00???
     
  8. Flyboy1005

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    be happy that you live in the USA. you still have low gas prices there if i compare it with european/german prices.

    i converted it into euro and litre:

    1 litre in the usa costs 60 cent
    1 litre in germany costs 130 cent (= 1,30 euro)

    so what???
     
  9. _chris_

    _chris_ Marxist

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    nationalised workforce in which everyone gets $17 an hour
     
  10. Dalamar

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    There are a few things:

    First- I don’t think those comparisons are accurate.

    Second- In European countries you have high taxes on gas which pays for public benefits for all of your citizens. That is not so here. Here these high prices are just going into the pockets of the oil companies.

    Lets all:

    1) Boycott Exxon/Mobil and Hess stations.
    2) don’t buy any gas on the weekend
    3) conserve where you can.
     
  11. Bilby

    Bilby Lifetime Supporter and Freerangertarian Super Moderator

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    Get used to higher gas prices. The price of crude oil is not going to come down.
     
  12. lvmichael

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    I'm looking forward to the day when they start reducing the lanes in our cities to two lanes for cars and the other lanes for bicycles and motorcycles/scooters and we can redesign our cities for people instead of cars. I get depressed everytime the gas prices go down and pray everyday they keep going up and up and up. Oh the day, when we can convert our suburbs back to farming land or huge parks.
     
  13. Liroy

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    Great idea,
    but only a theory.
    It wont work out.
     
  14. Leopold Plumtree

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    We get a discount for not buyin' by the litre. :p
     
  15. crosley

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    Here's who I like to blame for the gas prices:

    1) George W. Bush
    2) SUV's and the people who feel they need to own them
    3) races: Nascar, Brickyard, and all the others I don't know the names of
    4) our constant need for supply and demand
     
  16. zerokool280

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    i wish they would make a law that people had to ride their bike or motorcycle every where b/c they are more efficient.
     
  17. allanjustallan

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    As I understand it about one third of people already work for some government agency, with benefits they are making way more than 18 dollars an hour. Personally I spend about half my year working to pay taxes to help support that one third of the population. These workers do some good but they dont produce much of value, if everyone worked for the state then our standard of living would plumet because who would create value? Good examples of the difference in living standards would be East v West Germany and North Korea v South Korea. Do you think its a coincidence that as soon as China gave their people more freedom and right to private property that their standard of living grew at a very fast rate.


    Perhaps as much as 100 million people have died because of marxism ideals. Ever read the book animal farm by george orwel? Its a great example of what happens when well intentioned people dictate whats good for other people.

    The average cost of a new car in China is about 3 thousand dollars and 100 thousands are being bought each year, there is simply not enough spare oil capacity to supply everyone with moderatly priced oil which means sharply higher priced oil in the future. Its my opinion we are killing the earth with our wasteful use of dirty energy and the only way to reduce our consumption is with very much higher fuel costs. I am willing to bet that within 10 years we will look back at todays fuel prices as been super low and I will accept much lower standard of living to save the only home we all have, the Earth. As a matter of fact I moved out into the countryside because after years making a decent living in San Francisco I wanted to spend the rest of my life in paradise.

    Within my lifetime I have seen terrible changes. For example in 1980 when I flew cross country there were only a few places directly around cities where the air was visibly bad, now the haze extends everywhere.

    Just my thoughts,

    Allan.
     
  18. Dalamar

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    First let me say that I agree with you, we are damaging our planet with the ever increasing use of petrol. fuels. We have alternatives that could be used now. However, higher prices at the pump is not going to change anything. All that does is increase profits for the big oil companies thus increasing their power ensuring that we will continue to use oil for some time to come. Even if that was a solution it would have an immediate devastating impact on the poor. Many people will no longer be able to afford to go to work, heat there homes, buy food (and in some cases cook it).

    Since the mid east conflict heated up the prices at the pump have steadily increased even though there was no decrease in supply. That alone added 10 cents per gallon to gas prices in my area. Now that BP had to shut down a pipeline they are saying that prices in my area may rise to $4.00 plus per gallon. That will not have much of an impact on the people who drive SUV’s and Hummers since they can afford it. However, it will be crippling for the poor and even some middle class families.
     
  19. Philo_1er

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    As many people have pointed out, the use of fossil fuels is

    environmentally destructive both in its use (byproducts, pollution) and in it's mining. Since oil is a commodity and a necessity, capitalism has taken the idea of supply and demand and imposed some greed, partially creating the situation we're in now with gas prices. It's also been mentioned that technology is a way out of our dependence on oil. Why have most attempts to market an electric car been stifled? The technology has been around for a while, but why were electric cars recalled and destroyed? It seems that alot of these problems could be solved by auto makers releasing electric models. They've been shown to work well barring their short running time. I'm no engineer, but I'd guess it wouldn't be tough to manufacture and market a well built electric car.
     
  20. Dalamar

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    Corn is an alternative to gas and does not pollute the environment but, there are some problems with getting ethanol from corn. 1st it will likely be just as expensive as gas is now because we could never grow enough to keep up with demand. 2nd corn depletes the topsoil of its nutrients.

    A better alternative is to make ethanol from sugar like Brazil did. Now they are no longer dependant on imported oil! It only took them 5 years to achieve this. Surely we can do the same thing in less time. There are many alternatives to corn ethanol! Think about it, if corn was a viable alternative to oil do you really think the oil companies would run commercials in support of it!

    That was however an interesting artical about ethanol v.s. butanol!
     

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