protesting smoking vegans and naturalists

read the first post to the thread and you'll see you are asking the same question I have but with pills as your contradiction.

I'm defining nature's intent to mean 'the mechanics of life': smoke is not a food source; it cannot sustain the human body; smoke within a confined space with air suffocates the air--our life source.

As far as pills go...hmmm from those I know who take supplements, they take vegan approved, completely natural, non-synthetic and animal-testing free products. There may very well be some out there that do not.

 

Both Marijuana, and Tobacco both have chemicals. Maurijuana may be organic, but still has chemicals from the cannabis plant that can be harmful inhale to much of. It doesn't have same chemicals of tobacco, though. Inless it perfumed. Yes smoking pot is better than smoking ciggies, but still can be hamful, and can cause cancer. Now don't get upset w/me about what I just said. I was just stating the fact. I myself smoke cigarettes, and past have had a couple drags from a joint, and buzz contact from hanging out w/pot smokers. That was a few years ago, except smoking cigarettes; which I I am trying to quit. We are hypocrits in one area to another. I myself am not a vegetarian.

 

I thought that you were using a common verbal shorthand about "intent". It just happens to be one of my pet peeves and so I bit.

Two things about your basic thesis. One, our teeth are an omnivore's teeth. We lack both the canines of a pure carnivore and the molars of a vegetarian.

Two, you hold that breathing smoke is unnatural. Since I think that technology is natural, and having cooked over a poorly laid fire, I think that breathing smoke comes naturaly to people.

I also would note that technology has increased our food supply so that (for those on this forum) veganism is a realistic option. Just as not breathing smoke is a realistic option.

Most vegans that I know are motivated by concern for animal welfare. If you think of smoking as an animal (human) abusing itself, perhaps there is a connection. But I doubt that pointing this out will cause a vegan to quit smoking. Neither would it motivate a non-smoking omnivore to become vegan.

 

Yes that is why I phrased human teeth to be predominantly herbavore. Have a look at other omnivores you will see that human teeth are the less equiped when it comes to meat-eating. I mean we have to use freak'n utensils

When I say 'natural' I imply design or governing dynamics...the mechanics of how things operate. Your car will not run on water. You can fill your tank with H20 if you want...but the car isn't designed for it. Also your citing synthetic here...I just don't get what you were trying to say in relation to what I had said.

Have a look and you'll see that is my point. I was not really tring to get anyone to do anything. This post is my protest of smoking vegans and I have come out of the closet to call them vegan 'hippycrates'<<<<ok that was gay<<<<full pejorative intended

 

I have never grown tobacco or marijuana but I can tell you as an experienced organic gardener that both potatoes and rhubarb are heavy feeders so are these plants soil nutrient rapists?

 

Yes

That's why you should rotate crops to regenerate certain nutrients in the soil. For example, planting corn on season, planting soybeans the next (which actually regenerates damaged soil), and then leaving it fallow the next.

 

I already know about crop rotation and green manures. The latter only replaces nitrogen but not phosphorous or potassium. It does however improve moisture holding capacity. You cannot crop rotate rhubarb as it is a perennial! But you still have not answered my original question to whether potatoes and rhubarb are soil nutrient rapists given that tobacco is a nutrient rapist.

 

What is wrong with eating fried animal flesh providing it is fried in a quality fat? I mean none of that awful conola, cottonseed or corn oil.

 

Uh, that's why I said YES!

 

You make me smile.

 

meat and cigarettes give me boners.

 

As a Catholic Vegetarian (someday Vegan), I see nothing wrong with smoking marijuana. I believe that it is here for a reason; God make nothing without purpose. I believe that drugs bring us closer to that ultimate truth that we search for our whole lives. Marijuana is a natural step in the journey toward enlightenment, as are all hallucinogens,. It is, therefore, more than natural.

 

I don't see what smoking has to do with eating or not eating animals. Seems like this thread is a waste of time.

 

My God, not this thread too. Changingtimes doesn't like the thread. Lets shut it down. If you think the thread is stupid, then don't fucking post. Or at least post an opinion of why you think its stupid. Perhaps you should lose your pre-concieved notion of self-importance.

 

Zoomie

I know this is kind of Vegan smugness, but it's rather hypocritical to give up meat and then eat meat substitutes. Mmmm, I'm saving the life of a chicken by eating a plastic chicken. It's kind of like giving up smoking and then being on the patch and nicotine gum for the rest of your life. If you can't do it right, what's the sense in doing it at all?
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eat meat substitute, how can you say that thats just the same as eating meat, you are not taking away the life of an animal, niether are you promoting animal cruelty,

same with nicotine gum, the nicotine does hardly any harm if any, it is the other chemicals like carbon minoxide and tar etc,

also with nicotine gum, it helps you to give up, because you get your nicotine craving and you are kicking the habit.


and changing times this thread is about smoking is UNNATURAL, i disagree with this, but he/she thinks that smoking is unatural and vegans is natural, so if u smoke and are vegan you are a hypocrite

 

smoke the grass,tobaccoplants,
eat the seeds,nuts,vegs,fruit,
pet and be kind to the animals

 

I'm vegan and I smoke weed. I don't use cars. Tell you what, get all the people that drive cars and eat meat to stop both and smoke weed instead, and then tell me that I'm harming the earth with smoke.

 

A vegan only consumes herbal materal, right?

Cigarettes, though unhealthful, are all herbal, right?

Soooo, where's the hyprocracy?

We all have to learn to live and let live allowing all others to do their own thing.
Otherwise we're no better than big brother.



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