Question to Scots about Scots Americans

americans think the english all sound gay ? ..stay cool eat a fridge . if you think about it heron " you could of responded with a chuckle " as it was a bit of wit on my behalf ( nothing personal ) or may be it is with you ?........seriously looking up family trees is a interesting and knowledgeable.......have you had any look with your findings ?

 

Yes, much luck. As you may know, humor doesnt come across easily online, unless very obvious. I guess English humor isnt at obvious in type lol.

I took such an offense because of past posts in this thread, my apologies.

I have many parts of my family tree back to the first century.

edit: yes lots of americans thing the english sound gay, but not as gay as the french lol. Its only in a more general stereotype of accents that the english sound gay though,surely not all of them sound so proper and efeminent lol.

Ok, well all in good fun right? Hatchet buried, let the fridge eating continue.

 

there are so many generilisations in this thread .. english are all wankers etc etc .. i have mixed descent tho my heart and soul are on my scots side ... if only one generation are born over the border from scotland then you are in for a hard time if you feel a pull towrds the scots ... i feel neither scots nor english ... the english have done some pretty bad things in the past. then again the last battle fought on mainland uk i believe was the battle of culloden moor up inverness way where my family hail from .. this was lost by the scots not for reasons of lack of guts etc etc .. but political reasons, in the main, deals done for land and sgreements behind closed doors and the switching of sides and betrayal .. and on and on .. we need o have a broader outlook. as for no borders .. well chriss i agree .. political borders ... but we have an identity ... we have cultures ... these are important .. do we close the doors for all anyone wantng to share learn and be part on one particular culture because they are not born within it ... or have been born out of it because of economic reasons ....

I encounter far more shite from scots saying i am english wehn i am of a gerenration born south of the border froparents who moved south for whatever reason .. while the guy next to me three generations down the line from being born north of the border is accepted because he lived in new zealand or america .. and not being english by birth ..

what about thhose who are from england four gererations ago but family has been in scotland for all that time .. this is a pointless thread because its so full of generalisations .. and underlying hate of the english and vice versa ..


this shit makes me so tired .. its goes round and round .. try reading this ... it may help in certain areas of thinking and preception of the world ...

http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46605

peace to ya all

 

I dont think hate for the english has come up much on here, dislike maybe lol. But the main generalization of this thread is that american steal cultures they like, and have none of their own, or at least no claim to it. I am defending that, thus the purpose of the thread.

 

but gereralisations none the less .. and they were not the only ones .. you cannot gereralise like this .. to all .. you just cant .. and that you know and have we have to all try to do ... its what makes the difference surely

 

So what is your point exactly? Everything is in general man, no matter what it is. Hawaii is pretty, wow thats a generalization, winter is cold...generalization, wtf?

 

Hi I'm half scots half irish, brought as a catholic up in bradford, west yorkshire. Bradford has a big pakistani community. I've got alot of irish family, who i keep in touch with. All these are factors in my imaginary identity. Part of me feels i have something in common with all of these peoples and places, really it's an illusion. Culture is separate to "race", culture is just as much about what we do every day, what we eat, the music we listen to.
When you look into your family tree, the further back you go, the less relevant it becomes, i share my sir name with one of 2 parents, 1 of 4 grandparents, 1of 8 great great grandparents, and 1 of 16 great great grandparents. So it goes on 16,32,64,128, 256. we are all at the top of a very big pyramid of acestors.
I guess we all want to know where we come from, but does ancestry really shed any light in it? I must admit that when i go to scotland or ireland and see ancient raths or ring forts, 2 or 3 thousand years old, i imagine some of my ancient relations came from these places as they probably did. 3000 years is 120 generations, maths isn't my strong point, but if i went back all that way i must have thousands and thousands of ancestors, all as far as i know, from scotland and ireland. If i were to meet one of those people though, would we have anymore in common with them, than i would with the ancestors of my next door neighbour? I doubt it. If we go back far enough we're all related, yet it doesn't stop people treating eachother in the most inhuman ways.
You can choose your friends but not your family.
Peace be upon you. X

 

Say 3000 years ago, one of those mulitple thousands of ancestors had died in a raid as a child. You wouldnt be here. Each of the thousands and thousands of ancestors are just as important as your mother or father. Just because there are so many, doesnt take away from the importance they had on you being here.

 

All I'm saying is that my thousands ancestors from 3000yrs ago would probably have more in common with the ancestors of an indian or south american 3000yrs ago, than they do with us. I can see though how being geographically distant from the land of your ancestors might magnify it's significance. Maybe it's the other way around and my familiarity breeds contempt.
I'm saying it's not where you're from it's where you're at. All we have is now, the past is a fiction to some extent, and a greater fiction as it recedes into prehistory. I know alot of people who's sense of identity is overly tied to their genetic and geographical heretidge. What if you then discover that you or your dad, grandad was adopted? Does it matter?
The idea that your racial background makes you who you are is racism (in the nicest possible way)

 

Wrong, your ancestors 3000 years ago would have even less to do with "indians" or south americans, more like 15,000 years ago maybe. As a pagan, language aside, i could sit down and talk to them about the way of things more easily than i can my living relatives. But all that is beside the point.

I was never talking about ancestors 3000 years ago, i was talking about a living breathing american culture and its Gaelic roots, and my own ancestry. And it is where i am at. I was defending my culture and letting people know that it isnt what you see on TV. Honestly man, i would say 90% of Europeans have no idea what american cultures really are, and cant even wrap their heads around it. You all think american is a cultural waste land of hip hop, crime, flashy cars, stockbrokers, and Hollywood. Dont let your ignorance towards America cloud the real information i am giving you. I (we) dont want your cultures, we dont want Scotlands culture, we dont want anyones culture, but our own. That is the purpose of this thread, to expose how things are here, not how i wish i were in scotland. In the Southland is where i want to be, born and raised and proud. Dont confuse ancestoral pride with wanting to be elsewhere. I am just as proud of my ancestry here, but point is, our culture was influenced from our Scottish roots. But do i have a Scottish flag in my sig? No, I have my states flag, with our own St Andrews Cross saltire banner, but the Scottish roots of said flag is indenyable, that is what i am pointing out here.

If pride in my race is racism, then i am guilty. But if i were talking about the great influences of the black race on southern culture, and there are lots thankfully, i am sure there would be no qualms and disputes. We are all off different races. Forgetting race isnt the answer. Pride in your race, and utmost respect for theirs is the way we should go. Fact is, there are different races, and i am proud to be in the one I am, would be so regardless of which it was. My children are interracial and equally as proud of both.

Oneday, i suggest you all come here and see for yourselves what the "telly" doesnt show you.

 

I'm afraid i still haven't had a chance to listen to the songs you sent me. I haven't had time to see about my speakers yet. However i have a free day tomorrow which i intend on making the most of! It'll give me time to take them to the shop and if need be buy new ones (tomorrow again..lol). It'll be the first chance i've had..

Britain is only about 800 miles from top to bottom so when you think about it that way we're only the size of one of your states. But driving is one thing, walking is quite another! Some people wrongly believe when they see heather clad hills they look easy to climb, or heather on the moors, but it's not so easy to walk on. I have driven (roughly) 500 miles in a day, that's more than enough for me! Especially with the roads here, some are still single track, others aren't much better. We do have motorways too but mainly in Central Scotland or down south in England. Over there you could probably fall asleep at the wheel quite easily travelling on straight roads for long distances. Plus even though you drive on the 'right' side of the road you actually drive on the wrong side a lot of Americans actually forget that over here and once i was unfortunate enough to be sitting in the passengers side of the car with a friend when all of a sudden a car is coming towards us on the right (wrong!) side of the road. No prizes for guessing where they were from. Nope, not Germany this time....lol. It's happened twice. Still here to tell the tale though I'll let you know about the songs as soon as.


I know all the animals apart from 'coons' is that racoons? We get squirrels here red squirrels and grey ones. The native Red Squirrel is under increasing danger because of it's "American" cousin which was introduced here in the 19th century. The Osprey is my favourite. Do you get Ospreys over there? You seem to get everything else!


(edit) Did you know that we have 32 (i think) mammals here but on Ireland there are only 20, i believe? They have no snakes i know that. I may be wrong but i think it's because at one time Britain was connected to mainland Europe while Ireland wasn't. I i also read somewhere else that Scotland and England are two completely different land masses which colided so many gazillion years ago. It may be true because the rocks we have here are the oldest in Europe. You can see a picture of the Highland fault line here if you wish: http://community.iexplore.com/photogallery/displayFeaturePhoto.asp?ID=85996 or read about it here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/whereilive/coast/stages.shtml?walk=northeast&stage=1 lot of old volcanoes too. On the Isle of Arran you'll see 'beware of adders' signs but on Ireland you don't get any snakes at all. Just one of the animals we get here that they don't get there - for reasons i already explained, unless of course St Patrick did it..

 

Err, aye - it makes a helluva difference..



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I'm busy explaining that you really shouldn't generalise because they vary so much. If somebody thinks it sounds 'funny' then i don't think you should take that to heart. While it's true to say there are many varying English accents it is also true to say that when you hear them on tv, particularly beside an American accent, then it just sounds "distinctive" shall we say. All are Unmistakably an English accent no matter what area they come from, but not all effiminate i might add. Nobody is suggesting that for one minute, well, i'm not....lol. (it was him it was him) j/k



Seriously, i have no idea what you're talking about. If it's generalisations about English accents then maybe we are guilty. There was no offence intended old chap, i'm sure you'll appreciate that people are entitled to their opinions. That's what we're discussing, people making generalisations about accents, be it English, Scottish or American. Everybody has their own idea of what a Scottish accent is, an English accent and so on. Even though the point is, you really should be more specific. Sometimes it's very hard to pinpoint an accent though, for me anyway.

 

i wasnt talking about accents .. i had read the whole thread .. and was rmarking on the amount of generilisations within it ...

 

Then tell me, how would you have discussed the subject Maon?

 

Hi, what i'm trying to say is that race is a social construct, a shared myth, based on superficial differences. It's a victorian idea, and really a pretty blunt tool to use, if you want to understand people. That is not to say that it isn't very important, money is also based on shared myths, and has little inate value of it's own, still money is a hugely powerful force.
I don't think that a person's race determines what sort of person they are. This is what Maon's on about racial stereotypes. You're right too how can you talk about race without talking stereotypes? How can you talk about myths exept using myths.
Race is separate to culture.

 

Who was talking about race? We talked about culture, differences and commonalities, and modern happenings to. You brought up race man.

 

you're right heron, sorry to be negative. I see that you're just looking into your culture. Alot of my cousins are irish gaelic speaking, i kind of feel i missed out on a part of my culture by being raised in england where it's not taught in schools.
Incidentally, if you're ever in lowland scotland check out eskdale muir, if you can. There's a buddist monastry of tibetan exiles and many british monks too. The valley is beatiful and has 2 stone circles, several iron age ring forts, and roman forts. I'd like to explore scotland more myself.
peace X

 

"You ain't seen nothing yet" so could you be a bit more specific please, or else "do one" (i picked that up on one of the atrocious English soaps we have to suffer on tv) i'm a quick learner

 

Me think we've got one or two comedians in our midst. Thanks for the clannandrumma site i've been meaning to check that out for a while. You're never going to believe this but i'll need to wait until Tuesday now before i can get my speaker problem fixed (bank holiday on monday here). I'll email you once i'm up and running. I'm just going to look at that site now, cheers

 

yes but the wrong kind take donald trumps latest idea gfor a golf course near aberdeen - like we need another one - not

i can't believe that the scottish exec just made this guy a "scot"

well, maybe money talks after all....