Depersonalization.

Check this link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depersonalization

Tell me if you ever feel like this, or have in the past, or know much about it.

I already made a post kinda like this, but this is much more specific and I thought it deserved a thread of it's own.

I don't know if I'm just psyching myself out and have been stoned too much lately, but I'm getting really scared that I may be developing this. I have been smoking a lot for a while now and I'm a little freaked that it may have caught up with me and brought this on.

I don't identify with all the symptoms, especially not the "vertigo shot" one, but some of them I feel like a lot lately. I really hope I'm just tweaking myself out, though.

The other thing, I read online that this may be related to poor sleeping habits relating to REM and such. I have been smoking to put myself to sleep for a long time now, maybe I need to cut that out and get some real healthy sleep instead?


Please guys. I don't mean to sound like the paranoid buzzkiller on these forums, but this stuff has really got me worried now, like really scared, and I really would appreciate any help and insight I can get. This could be the worst thing to happen to my smoking career.

 

i knwo what youre talkin about
dont worry its pretty normal when you get a tolerance built up
i get it too sometimes in the morning if i smoked alot the night before
just take a break from bud for a few days youll feel fine again

 

It would be a good idea to just take a break... I'm beginning to feel similarly, but not completely to the definition of depersonalization.

 

Everyone feels those symptoms at some time or another. Oddly enough, alcohol has been found by many to work to alleviate the symptoms. That's not to say that a perpetual state of drunkeness is the answer, but you could see what a few drinks do for you and try to get back into the swing of things from there.

 

Take a break, let all the drugs get out of your system, it will be good for you.

 

If it's the weed that's causing it for you, it's just a little personal problem. Like the other guys say, take a break.

Before I started smoking regularly, I had feelings like that. Still do, sometimes. Hell, I experienced a massive salvia trip that made me feel like that x 100. If it's re-ocurring after staying off the yummy drugs for a while, see a doctor or psychiatrist. The doc will give you more drugs, the psychiatrist may give you drugs, but might know more about the subject or talk with you more.

 

i had problems like this and still do once in a while because i have many problems with anxeity, the biggest thing was i had stuff very similar to vertigo shot,weed does mess up your sleep pattern so the best thing is to stop smoking for a couple days relax and sleep for atlest a full 8 hours, if its becoming a BIG problem get some help

 

Caterpiller, this has been the story of my past year.

I really had no idea who I was or what I was doing or what point there was to life, all kinds of dumb shit like that. Existential depression or some shit. I mostly just sat around avoiding getting a job or going to school, looking for some way of living that had more meaning than all this bull shit excuse for a society we have.

Now I'm starting to come out of it, been feeling a lot better lately, I think the coming of summer has done a lot to help, but really I dont know what to tell you other than I have been there and will probably be there again. For the past couple years I've been swinging in and out of this self pity bullshit. Its easy to call it for what it is now, but when you're deep in the middle of it its a whole other story.

If I knew what the answer was to this kind of inner turmoil crap not only would I tell you but I'd follow my own advice, unfortunatly all I can say is to maybe take a break from smoking, try to find something of meaning to do in your life (a hobby/job/class, whatever holds your interest and adds something to your life) and hope that things will get better.

 

Ply, that sounds more like depression than dissociation.

Sometimes you can trick yourself into thinking you have an illness. Be careful. Smoking weed isn't going to automatically make you like that, just have faith that you can get better.

We wouldn't want you to think you're stuck like that and just make it worse.

Unfortunately, I don't know much about the specific disorder.

 

I think it was some mix of the both. Maybe dissociative depression? Depression induced dissociation? I dunno, if the pharmecies can make up new diseases so can I!

Thats another thought process that really fucked with my head. Is there something wrong with me, or do I just think there's something wrong with me? Was I fine until I thought there was something wrong with me so now there is? Am I psychotic and dont even know it?

The more I think about things the worse things get. New plan, stop thinking.

 

Goddamn double posts.

 

I had a friend who started to develop depersonalisation and he had to stop smoking weed.

smoking yourself to sleep is very unhealthy, concerning your mind's associative power.

a lot of smokers complain of this direction after smoking for a while and i think it is because of the sleeping habit.

I think youd be a fool not to just stop smoking and see if it makes a difference, because otherwise youre just torturing yourself with worry. if you cant just stop smoking in an effort to make yourself feel better, then addiction is folding around you.

i dont know much specific about this disorder but i do not think it is very complex, it is a matter of association. your mind stops putting all the pieces together in reference to who and what you are. the fact taht you can worry about it is a good thing, but the fact taht it is happening is a bad thing.

as for leading to schizophrenia, unless youre getting paranoid about things, i dont think thats a worry for the meanwhile. you probably wouldnt recognise your symptoms much if you were heading that direction.

stop smoking, fullstop, start getting lots of sleep, and take higher than reccomended daily dose of the B complex vitimins, if you dont already.
then you can decide whether to pick up the smoking again

of course if you dont wanna stop smoking then you can just put up with these things you complain about. i mean, if you stop smoking, it doesnt guarantee that the problems will go away, and if you keep smoking, it doesnt mean the issue will necessarily stay with you forever. but if you want to take control of your problems, then youll have to take some steps toward the most important health you have - your brain.

 

^^hmm...i didn't know smoking yourself to sleep was unhealthy....
oh, and about the schizo crap, it's all false. I was diagnosed with schizo when I was really young, and smoking pot hasn't made it any worse than it would have gotten naturally anyways. it's just another tall tale the dea and partnership for a drug free america has embraced as a part of their anti-pot campaigns.

 

not unhealthy in the sense that it will damage your body, but in the sense that it leads to a state of brain function which is undesirable. your dreaming cycle buggers up and you have misporportionate stages in the sleep cycle. this means that the maintenance programs your mind goes through while asleep are less effective.

over time, particularly over adolescence, has shown to make a difference. the next morning, the sleep feels like youve had a deep sleep because you have - but there are more types of sleep than deep sleep and you need it all.

if you stop smoking, you suddenly get intense dreams, and the re-establishment of reality takes place over time.

its not a big issue for everyone, but i noticed it (and is not a problem if i dont smoke a lot within the half hour to hour before getting to sleep) and i think it is a significant factor in the negative effects that can be noticed from habitual smoking


and i think its unwise to judge the world based on your own condition.

 

well, i have intense dreams all the time if I'm not high or haven't taken several sleeping pills. they are always nightmares, but that's beside the point. Does this mean I don't have the potential to have the re-establishment of reality take place at all, seeing as the intense dreaming never ceases unless otherwise drugged?

 

everyone always dreams every night (every night that they get some sort of sleep in). whether you remember them, or whether theyre based on good or bad things, is not relevant here.

while you might normally have intense dreams, im sure the ones after stopping a long smoking habit would be more intense. its not like we have accurate measures of the intensity of dreams from just memory.

btw, my use of the words 're-establishment of reality' was perhaps stretching the terms, what it means to be is restoring your general mental functioning more or less back to its baseline, as opposed to the feeling of 'lack of reality' or whatnot.

 

yeah im just used to it now...it has installed for good after i dont know what

its kinda like i observe my mind like its a comp,artificial i can feel the connexions and laugh at my person what it thinks and all...its not really a very precise person mmore of a jelly mind

 

that's really good to know bill, i will most certainly keep that in mind next time i smoke. i know that after a few days of smoking myself silly and passing out, i find it VERY hard to fall asleep the next few days, and my mind just keeps running. also used to get VERY fucked up and profound-seeming dreams too. interesting.

 

Hey guys, I want to give you all a quick update...

First of all thank you so much for all of your input, and to everyone on the "out of touch with reality" thread, I appreciate it extremely. It's good to know you guys can lend a hand to a friend in need.

As for the update, well I haven't smoke since 420 and I already feel way more back to normal. I think I'm going to give it a few more days, to the point that i havent smoked for a week. And then I will try it out and be honest with myself in how I feel. I'm also rethinking a lot of my smoking habits.

Anyway, that's just a quick update but when a little more time has gone by I will give more details on how it's going. Basically right now, I feel way more down to earth and such, maybe not totally back to normal but wayy better. I feel a little apprehensive about smoking again but I will wait until I feel that it is the right time, which only I can tell. Thanks again guys.

 

Btw Bill, could you tell me more about your friend and what his experiences and feelings were like? Just to see how much it relates to my own.

And if what you say is true about the sleeping stuff, then that would definitely make sense that I have been feeling this way because of that. Every night I smoke a bowl or two and then about 10 minutes into it I fall asleep. I've been doing it for months, and I'm going to stop. It has taken some of the fun out of smoking for me, as I'm always concerned with having enough to put me to sleep at night(dealt with insomnia for years and years), but it's probably not good for me at all, not to mention it's a waste of weed. I will just wait till I come down a bit before I go to sleep.