some people want excitement so much they don't care what or how much they destroy. but arn't we, at some point, going to run out of anything we can destroy without destroying ourselves? or is it just a collective death wish and that's the whole point? other perspectives are also possible. =^^= .../\...
Personally I think the destructive people are in the minority. I like excitement - who doesn't - but I don't want to destroy anything.
I believe close inspection of the story of the fall of Atlantis bears this out.. Personally, I think we do possess a self-destructive element at some time in our life, and if enough such people are contained in a small area with this "feeling", then yes, I'd say anything could happen.
To me it is actually more fun to create something, like building a shelter, a garden, ect. I guess it is destructive in a way becuase to create new you have to destroy something first but the destruction is not what is so cool, its the standing back and saying I made that looking at the finished garden, remodeled home, shed ect.
That's progress.. with a little cost to potentially spoil the moment.. I had the feeling Themnax was talking about the pyromaniacs and vandals of this world
its the "accidental destruction" thats the problem - when people dont think through the consequences of their actions and hurt someone/something else while they're accomplishing thier goals... bringing oil to customers is a normal goal... but if the ship breaks up and kills thousands of seabirds/sealife/destroys an ecosystem.... there is some nasty "accidental destruction"
Everyone is right Except the people who are limiting their idea of "things" to pretty things with substance and organization. When you destroy something, really you just make something new like a pile of ashes. And it takes a very special kind of anarchist to look at a pile of ashes and think "I'm going to fucking destroy that shit." We'll never run out of things. Maybe we'll run out of things most people like to break, but then you're just being picky.
I think human life is like a windows installation. The minute you install it, the system slowly begins to break down. We seem to go at destroying ourselves with great gusto, myself included.
actualy i wasn't ragging on excitement itself as such, but of becoming so addicted to its persuit as to put that ahead of doing our thinking and the consiquences of adamantly refusing to. an awairness that sometimes takes a lot of hot wind to explain, being so alien to the core values of the dominant culture. deliberate vandalism you can say:"ok i won't do that", or "i'll be an ass and i will". but the point is agian there's more crap that comes from not thinking about things then from those who do set out to make things crap. i think a bunch of you did catch that and figure it out and my heart cheers every time someone does i'm definately not bitching about the real gratification of creating something, creating and shairing beauty and not destroying more then is created, that, as yanknburn noted, is one of the very real sources of gratification. sorsha got it ALMOST exactly. only it isn't just the big accidents like she's talking about but all the little real costs that add up to everything worth a dam going to hell in a had basket from the incentives being created. as for our individual life forms, and perhapse the work of our own hands, and even every new thing that comes into being bigining to deteriorate from the moment of birth, well this is true, but not really to the point. nature's cycles of renewal somehow uses the energy and products of this decay to keep renewing life and providing for our own, something none of our 'economic' or idio-illogical proccessess have yet to achieve. =^^= .../\...
