200 mg 2-CE / 500 mg MDMA

Been awhile. Haven't been sitting on my ass while I've been gone, though; here's my latest report:

Both compounds are believed to be relatively pure, and are consumed on an empty stomach. Supervision was neither obtained, nor believed to be necessary (at the time). Experience is after a 6+ month abstinence from both compounds.

T+0: Ingested 100 mg MDMA.
T+1.5: First effects of initial MDMA dose are felt.
T+3: The MDMA is really starting to take effect; waves of warmth begin rushing over me. Usual emotional bonding is triggered; another 200 mg of MDMA is ingested.
T+5: The effects of the initial MDMA dose are beginning to subside, so I ingest another 200 mg of MDMA. CEV's are apparent.
T+6: Deciding that the night was still very young, I weigh out and ingest 100 mg of 2-CE; figuring that I'd spent a very fair amount of serotonin with the MDMA, I am not afraid of the unusually high dose.
T+7: Entactogenic qualities of MDMA are still very apparent. However, the 2-CE has yet to make an appearance (which is quite abnormal, taking into consideration the usual come-up, for me, is short of 45 minutes). I reason that I'm merely burnt-out, and decide to ingest another 100 mg of 2-CE.
T+7.5: Almost immediately after ingestion of the second dose, effects of the initial 2-CE dose are apparent. The psychological effects of the last MDMA dose are still going surprisingly strong.
T+10: The 2-CE is now overwhelming the MDMA. The usual visual effects (liquid, colored tracers, etc.) of the 2-CE are noticed; I am at Level 3 / ++.
T+11: I am immediately rocketed into Level 5 / ++++. The outside world crumbles beneath massive waves of patterning; coiling around me, in unison with the most bizarre psychological behavior I've ever experienced. One moment I'd known I'd lost it, and was never coming back...then I'd realised it was merely an illusion, and back.
I was stuck in this loop, playing these convoluted mindgames, for nearly 4 hours, as I randomly stumbled through my house. At some point I found myself lost in my bedroom (with no greater than 10 sq. ft. of walking space), unable to grope for a seat or a light in fear that I might knock something over. I stood there for an hour or so, nearly crying because I never thought I would find my way out. I finally crawled to my dresser and found the lightswitch.
T+15: After finally making my way to the garage and enjoying my last cigarette, I decided to lay in bed and watch TV. I began picking up on social cues that were either very well-hidden, or not really there. At some point I fell into a hole...or, more favorably, was "sucked out" of a hole. Everything was black, except for the glossy sheen of some strange bubble that I now surrounded. I began feeling painful sparks of electricity shooting all around me, accompanied by a strange WHOOPH sound. I now understood the concept of viscoelastic mass, and was able to transport to strange dimensions (via rapid suction, of some sort), where I was confronted by these entities made of foam. They explained to me, using imagery, the concept of deep dissociation and interpsychological travel.
T+20: I came to in bed, exhausted, but still unable to sleep. I was back at Level 4 / +++. Patterning still coiled over nearly every inch of the room, and I find that I am completely unable to walk straight.
T+24: I go outside and light up a cuban cigar. The sun is warm on my skin. The sky was rippling like an ocean tide, as the trees and surrounding vegetation danced and breathed. I'd occasionally notice a butterfly, to the very outterskirts of my vision, as it would tumble about in the air, leaving a wake of yellow and red fractals behind it. I felt very in-touch with the universe at the moment, and very content, save the occasional welling of tears in my eyes at the memory of the impact of last night's experience.
T+28: Even though I'm fiending horridly for a cigarette, I dare not make a trip to the store, as I STILL stumble around, much like a hopeless drunk on St. Patrick's Day. Visual distortions, especially when looking in the mirror (my head looked like it was made of wet clay), were still very comical at this point.
T+36: Finally back at baseline. I feel restless, and am extremely emotional. I was quite relieved to find that not only had I managed to not kill myself the night before, but also noted that I felt neither any nausea, nor vascular dysfunction, through the entirety of the experience. Sleep that night is impossible.

I would definitely ingest a similar amount of 2-CE again, in fact, looking back at my mere 60 mg doses, am actually beginning to believe that the compound really only becomes active at 40-50 mg doses. The above experience seriously rivaled, if not conquered, my past experiences with 500+ ug doses of LSD.

I will most definitely be experimenting with a similar dose of 2-CE again, however, excluding MDMA from the mix in order the compact the experience into ~24 hours. I will also make sure to have a sitter on-hand; while from what I can gather the peak of the 2-CE lasted approximately 8 hours at Level 5 / ++++, I cannot honestly say I was in any condition to be alone. That sect in time was spent in what I can only describe as a total failure at the neural/motor barrier, completely lacking any sort of judgement and being a seriously fatal threat to myself and others.

 

Glad to hear you are still alive, I've heard of many people flipping out on 25-30mg of 2C-E, I guess there must have been a lot of cross-tolerance between the MDMA and 2C-E as they are both in the same family. That is definately not a 'newbie' dose. I would have assumed that much could be fatal (and likely would be in many people). Without taking the MDMA the effects could have been much stronger if cross-tolerance was indeed an issue.

 

Wigging out on 25 mg's of 2c-e is for n00bs lol.

I experienced something similar on a large, (like 10+ 'hits' i guess you'd call them) piece of tear and share DOI. I showed up at a buddy's house at like 9 am and when i went into his hallway, I shut the door behind me, not realizing that the light was not on.. well I couldn't find the light and it wads dark so the drugs started to draw my surroundings for me. I thought I was in the wrong house, like I stepped into the wrong door. I thought I was in some kind of altar/sacrafice room adorned with ornate psychedelic tapestries and other pieces of art. ALl the while I am running my hands up and down the walls to try to find thre light switch.. not wanting to say anything and wake people up, especially the kind of people who live in a psychedelic altar room. My friend eventually heard me rastling around and woke up, and turned on the light. I never felt so relieved in my life.



Hefty dose of 2c-e man, IDK how you could deal with that kind of nausea. Haven't ventured to the 60 mg range since I was first into the shit a couple years ago. In fact, I haven't even taken that shit in forever, don't plan on it either.

I would eat lots of L, but I am pretty much done with any kind of rc.

 

Even with the MDMA load beforehand, this was the most intense 2-CE experience I've had yet...we'll see how I'm affected on 200 mg of 2-CE alone.

@2ces: There was actually no nausea at all this time around; which is surprising since I'd developed an ulcer when I was using regularly. I believe the first time I dosed 2-CE, and maybe the time before this (about 6 months before this and 3-4 months after the preceeding experience), I also experienced no nausea. It seems that 2-CE can cause the most damage per instance when used on a regular basis (where I was using 2-3 times a week), as opposed to once every couple of months.

 

Ah really dude? That's kind of scary my insides are really fucked up lately hasve not been diagnosed yet, been hoping it wasn't the 2-3 2c-e experiences a week all added up to serious damage to my internals.

 

fuck that would suck hope it aint eh.

thats a pretty frekaing crazy dose eat some lsd, i didnt know people could survive

 

200mg is not a normal dose of 2-ce to take, in fact it is the highest dose of this compound (by far) that I have ever of anybody taking. I really enjoyed reading that and you are obviously very experienced but I honestly don't understand why you have to push the limits like this, this is the knid of irresponsible use that got many compounds scheduled. I just think it is important that anybody researching dosages for this compound not see this post and think that this is in any way a normal or safe dose.

 

lol abrad: This man's a fellow hardhead in psychedelic exploration, that I talk to about psychs on these forums. This isn't the kind of irresponsible use that leads to anything being scheduled, because he is a serious hardhead.

It IS important that 'regular' people who see this do not think they can venture into that level of an experience and come out 'normal.' Not everybody is put together in a way that they can handle the brevity of experiences like this.

 

^^I was just gonna post something like that. The most I've ever seen someone do is 45-50mg, and that had me babysitting a bad trip. 30 was plenty for me.

 

I ate several doses of 2c-i that added up to be close to your 2c-e dose and had these crazy electrical shock feelings going through my nerves similar to what you had talked about. I stopped using it for a while after that because I was worried about some behind-the-scenes nervous system damage that could have happened. But I seem to be fine, the only noticable difference is now is that I have an amazingly low tolerance to 2c's, like I can trip hard off of 5-10mgs now vs the 40-60mg doses that I used to eat like candy. Strange things - these rc's.

 

Shit… where to start…

First off, many persons find doses below 20 mg. to be fully active. I know of several persons who are very experienced psychonauts (decade+ experience, numerous LSD/mushroom trips, experience with plants and compounds most here have likely never even heard of, etc…), that would never go beyond 20-25 mg. of 2C-E. While I have corresponded with persons on this and other boards who have pushed the dosing up to and past 45 mg., they almost all have reported hitting a ‘saturation point’ well below 100 mg. I do not see how dosing over 100 mg. of 2C-E would lead to any additional benefit. In combination with a large dose of MDMA who knows what is going on…

Some things to bear in mind: 1. Cross-Tolerance. 2. Purity. 3. Other medications taken? 4. Really, Really Abnormal Physiology/Metabolism/Liver Enzymes??

While it makes for an interesting read, there should be disclaimers Fore, Aft, and In Betwixt (given the number of young teens that seem to be crawling all over this board). Shit, with the dosing mentioned here probably even jaded octogenarian physicians need some cautioning.

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I definitely agree, though I'd hope that an average user would make use of good research and find that a 20-40 mg dose would be much more suitable for regular exploration. However, after dosing several times at the 50-60 mg range, with this same batch, I found that the 200 mg dose far exceeded the power of a standard dose.

Cross-tolerance? Definitely a possibility, however, I'll be performing another experiment sometime in months to come, excluding any other psychedelics in order to fully understand the power of the compound. The material itself is definitely of relatively high purity (coming from a trusted Dutch lab we all know and love ). No other medications were involved.

There is the acute possibility of abnormal liver function, however, I don't have any reason in particular to believe this to be the case at this point in time.

I'm not going to recommend anyone else try this (for obvious reasons)...while I feel that the negative side-effects at this dosage were actually considerably less apparent than at standard dosages, there are still too many unknowns involved for me to make a credible presumption.

 

Oh yea forgot to mention another similarity, one time on a pretty heavy dose, I heard a buzzing that got louder and louder and a pop in my head that caused a white-out and left me really confused for a few seconds. Weird shit like that, and the apparent damage to my insides has motivated me to completely stop touching that or any other rc.

 

You may very well have had the onset of a seizure; I used to get that feeling all the time (sober)...it'd start with a slow tick near the back of my head, which would eventually start exploding like a bag of popcorn; afterwards I'd be too dizzy to stand up straight.

As for GI damage, I found that abstaining from the 2-CE for a few months really helped. I had a bad case of the flu at some point and thought I had a case of renal failure...luckily, it passed. *lol*

Long-term use of any compound that can create nausea (which is any serotongenic compound) can lead to ulcers, or even possibly lacerations. This can be avoided by only using at minimal intervals...however, the phenomenon is mostly psychological.

While the 5-HT receptors (particularly 5-HT-A, I've noticed) are responsible for appetite suppression (thus the nausea), there's alot to be blamed on the psychological side as well. Nausea is one of the main side-effects of emotional distress, such as work-related stress or depression, and can usually be dealt with by detaching (to a certain extent) from real-world problems...I find meditating or relaxing in some form for several hours before an experience helps me to cope with the nausea.

 

I get that all the time on opiates, used to get it when I would take L or shrooms, now I occasionally get it when I'm trying to fall asleep at an unusual time like during the day. And I dont think that is anything like a seizure, because I get it right before I have sleep paralysis episodes.

 

Sleep paralysis like you can't move and fall asleep? Could you elaborate?

 

http://hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133001

Check that one out, my post at the end is a pretty lame description of what it's like though.

Buit if you ever take a bunch of opiates and lay down, and your head starts buzzing mad loud like that, just try staying still and waiting it out, eventually you will think your asleep, then the most fucked up hallucinations start happening becuase your dreaming while your awake and your body is asleep. It's mad fucked up and it used to scare me as a little kid, but now it rarely happens when Im sober. Kind of hard to explain how to make it happen, becuase you just kind of have to flow with the feeling, even though it feels like your head is all messed up

 

O ok I've had that before from OC's, but usually instead of buzzing it's more like my mind plays music. I love that dream state while you're awake. Seems like for some it's kind of uncomfortable though.

 

Yea, I guess it used to be for me too, when I was a little kid I would start hearing that buzzing, than I would just snap out of it. But on OC's shit is great, although oc makes me feel all speedy for a while before the chill kicks in, I love it though. Also I think it's better on drugs becuase the insanity bit of it is more intense, whereas sober i just sort of go on a journey

 

eat_some, you´re definitely crazy!

Didn´t you know, that most of the fatal RC trips during the last years were caused by MDMA (300+x mg) and 2C-x combos? I must say, you really have balls, doing such a combo.
But there´s one good thing about it: you´ve given one more evidence, that large doses of 2C-E seem to be quite safe. I never dared to go beyond 40mg (although I´ve already done high dose 2C-B experiences over 100mg), but now I´m thinking of giving it a try...