a new color

why the hell dont you guys just accept wot he is saying rather than dismiss it. dont people understand that he is simply telling you an experience he had rather than saying "i had this experience, so im opening this thread so anyone who doesnt feel secure enough to aknowledge something that lies beyond their comfortable reality can tell me im completely wrong" ?

 

Are you sure you were/are completely sober?

Must've been cool.

 

We are so trained to divide, judge and measure and put things into terms ... to put the mantle of the known around that which is unknown ... yet we ourselves are as unknown.

What if we are all equipped with sense organs besides eyes, ears, tongue, nose and skin ... which help us to perceive more whole rather than more divided ... where the senses we refer to in daily life just impart they are not left out, but involved.

Even the egg carton is part of mystery ... its own universe woven of a million colours, sounds, smells and subtle texture, and all is connected.

I think we all need to grow up ... which is wonderful, too.

 

this is one of those six blind men and the elephant kind of things. the peramiter of color is indeed the freequency of light energy uniquely, but our human senses they act upon are not the only senses or with the only range of them it is possible of living organizms to have. it is quite possible for life forms to develop that have far different ranges of 'vission' well into and 'beyond' both the infrared and ultraviolet 'ends' of our specturms. and just as some people can hear a greater and lesser range of audible sound freequencies, it is not inconceivable to have a greater and lesser rainge in the vissible spectrum as well.

this wouldn't exactly make a 'color' 'new' however, just unfamiliar to our normal visual rainge.

it is quite probable that what IS being refered to is indeed something other then COLOR as such. far from this narrowing our universe, accapting that there are more and other peramiters then we are familiar with, if anything broadens it, while deceiving ourselves as to the nature of those with which we are, does nothing of the sort.

a different peramiter, other then color, with the word "color" being merely a simplistic way to describe a range of possibility unfamiliar, and possibly unaccepted, by the mind attempting to describe it.

texture is by far NOT the only possibility. if anything diversity, even of peramiters, is effectively limitless. more so then the range of possibilities within any single one.

metamarism is an effect that is measurable and real. it does not create 'new colors' but is the way different kinds of light effect the way colors on different textures appear to the eye.

so color is color and only color, but what is perceived as color, can indeed encompass a great deal else and more. a larger and more complex context then a few simple absolutes. what is an absolute is that unless you limit the meaning of a word and how you use it, then that word, by then being able to mean almost anything, thus becomes meaningless.

but the simple minded with a limited vocabulary can still see and witness what they have inadiquite words to discribe and there is no lack of validity to their doing so. paget to the contrary, experience is NOT limited by verbal vocabulary, only the ability to express and shaire it verbaly is.

and even the most intelligent of us, are still only finite in our ability to express observations of a universe that is far less limited then ourselves.

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yeah i don't get why people are so closed minded either. i heard you can smell colors while on lsd.

 

^ That is true, with almost all psychedelics

 

All colours are a variety of colours.

 

Of course. But they are combined. A colour with a texture is in fact separated colours.

It seems in everyone's attack of my own admittedly harsh attack, people are missing a few basic points.

I am not trying to sound smart, I am not trying to dictate what is real and what is not. I am simply warning against one's own tendency to assert almost assuredly that they have experienced something entirely new when they have NO way at all of measuring it. What I guess I should have done is given the benefit of the doubt, but I think I should be offered the same.

Also, as stoner bill says, I have pointed out some extreme flaws in Daniel's logic and he has shown absolutely no desire to acknolwedge it. I think its safe to call "stupid" here. If you want to say the same for me, go back and read my posts carefully.

 

Lying, I offered a wierd experience in the wierd forum. It had nothing to do with logic. You have not attacked logic, you have attack me. You have attcked my nature; my freedom to express myself in my own terms; my character and personality. And I must add, you have no way of measuring, or guaging who or what I am. Your tendency to make unwarranted assertions has angered some decent folk on this forum, and you have drawn fire from them. You have not hurt or troubled me, for I remain the same.

 

Shut up.

 

Hope this helps some.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synaesthesia

"Synaesthesia (also spelt synæsthesia, synesthesia); from the Greek (syn-) “union,” and (aesthesis) “sensation,” is the neurological mixing of the senses. A synaesthete may, for example, hear colors, see sounds, and taste tactile sensations. That means, the perception of one stimulus evokes a second perception. Synaesthesia is a neurological condition, which occurs naturally in many individuals, but is also a common effect of some hallucinogenic drugs such as LSD or mescaline.

Synaesthetes often experience correspondences between the shades of color, tones of sounds, and intensities of tastes that provoke alternate sensations. For instance, a synaesthete may see a more intense red as the pitch of a sound gets higher, or a smoother surface might make one taste a sweeter taste. These experiences are not metaphorical or merely associations; rather, they are involuntary and are consistent throughout life, although some young synaesthetes seem to lose their ability by or during adulthood. Depressants tend to increase the depth of the perception.

Synaesthesia can even occur when one of the senses no longer functions properly, e.g., a person who can see colors when words are spoken can still see the colors if he becomes blind in later life. This phenomenon is known as "martian colors." The term originated from a case of a synaesthete who was born partially color blind, but saw certain 'alien' colors in his synaesthetic perceptions that he never saw (was incapable of seeing) in the 'real world.'

The most common forms of synaesthesia involve color being assigned to letters, numbers, days of the week or (especially for musicians) musical keys."

 

Lying_in_a_field, how I can't stand ignorant people like you. The man offered us an experience. He is not an idiot. Quite the contrary, you yourself come off as a huge idiot for what you have retorted. You sound like a fucking close-minded prick. If this man experienced something which he perceived as a new color, than so be it. It's his experience, and he explains it the way he can. To call his description a "moronic perversion of terms and language" is moronic in itself. Terms and language exist so we can explain experiences and if they need to be perverted in order to do so, then so be it. There is nothing so set in stone that it doesn't give way to interpretation. So are all poets moronic? You fucking idiot.

What the hell do you consider to be "truly imaginative and objective?" Are you the say-all on this subject? Do I have to check with you every time I want to explain something I believe to be imaginative? Get the fuck over yourself. He didn't say it was for sure a new color. The man was describing his experience to us. The way he could explain it was to say it was a new color. Whether, in your little world of "truth" and boundaries, he is "right," doesn't matter. God, open your mind.

This is the weird forum. He shared something weird. Get over yourself and kindly shut up (go ahead...blah blah, free speech, blah blah).

 

Thanks, Cosmicbutterfly; I'll have to look some of that up.

Thanks, Artistofpeace; I was way too easy on the fellow, but, I think you set him straight.

 

It seems no-one is going to actually think about anything i've said, nor recognise the incredibly stupid flaws in OBVIOUS LOGIC

I'M NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T SEE A NEW COLOUR, I'M SAYING ONE SHOULD NOT BELIEVE IT LIKE THEY BELIEVE GOD EXISTS FOR SURE, JUST AS I SHOULDN'T BELIEVE A NEW COLOUR CANNOT EXIST JUST AS GOD CANNOT EXIST FOR SURE

I have a lot of friends who can think, can reason and can LISTEN so i'm not really changed or disillusioned by this experience either. Goodbye!

 

What you are experiencing is called astral projection. You are literally leaving your physical body and entering another plane of existance. You may indeed be experiencing things non-existant in this realm. When I sober up I'll send you a link to a website to develop your skill... I havent been able to do it yet. You have a very special abillity that you seem to be harnessing unintentionally. If developed you could be the next great scholar on the subject. Hope that adds a bit of clarity to all this flamming nonsence

 

I think the language you grew up speaking has a lot to do with how you see colors. I grew up speaking English, but my dad grew up speaking English and French. He uses the word "tango" to refer to a color between red and orange. I just always thought of it as "red" or "orange" but he sees it as a totally separate color.

 

Is that anything like tangerine?

 

It would be a seeded association.

You can't taste a colour, just as you can't see a smell or hear a taste.

 

Jeez! Not another one!

(Still though: "seeded" was pretty good.)

 

Here's one to ponder:

Can you imagine a colour you've never seen before?