I have a question for everybody in this "synthetic drug forum". would everybody say that LSD is the best hallucinagen or do these research chemicals that are still available rank higher? I am more of an experimenter than a user when it comes to these things, but it sounds like alot of em aren't worth trying. I have done acid a handful of times and enjoyed it. which of these chemicals are really worth trying. and what i mean by that is...if you had LSD and <insert chemical here> and a whole day to waste, you would rather take that chemical than the LSD.
research chemicals are complete garbage compared to good lsd. I don't think you'll really hear a different opinion from that many people.
http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/psychoactives.shtml Go read trip reports on anything and everything. You'll pretty much be able to make up your mind whether any RCs sound worth trying to you. Shit, nowadays illegal hallucinogens are easier to get than the "not-illegal" ones which aren't as good .... (One of the things I like about some RCs is that they're easier to dose lightly on, and don't last f - o - r - e - v - e - r... if you like a light dose of psychedelics, which some people don't)
Different strokes for different folks about sums it up. Some people don't like the dissociative effects of LSD/shrooms, and prefer a more relaxed trip... i.e. 2cc/methylone (methylone is relaxign for me anyways). My personal preferances are 4-ho-mipt, 2c-b, and methylone over LSD, but many disagree.
I would say LSD is the standard by which all others are judged, but several of the RCs are still very nice.
There is no correct answer because this has to do with opinion. As I wrote before LSD, in my view, is far superior to the RCs not only because of its potency (you can trip off microgram as opposed to milligram amounts, unusual in RCs) and the speed in which effects kick in (I tend to feel it in under an hour), but because it is easier on the gastrointestinal system and has been time-tested. It was a miracle that Albert Hofmann was able to synthesize a hallucinogen that if not found in nature (perhaps we have not found it yet) should have been found in nature (created by God if you are a theist) due to its perfection and lack of negative effects compared to other hallucinogens. LSD is not superior simply because it influenced the hippies, who in turn have influenced our modern world in ways most people do not understand. LSD is gentler on the human body and complements the desire for greater introspective knowledge and spiritual growth. At this point I have found LSD so good that I have no interest in experimenting with RCs with effects on the body and mind we do not yet fully understand.
Only reason I even got into 2c-e (only rc I really 'got' into) was cause there was a pretty dry period where it was even hard to get doses, good ones especially, in the lots. Now I don't even bother with rc's really.
DPT is really cool (you have to change it to the free base to smoke it, but totally worth it). 2 hour ordeal if encapsulated and swallowed, or snorted, as the hcl salt, or a 20-minute visual rush when smoked as free base on parsley.
Each has it's benefits. Although there's nothing quite like LSD. Who knows, maybe some day there'll be something better then LSD.
Regarding LSD versus myriad other compounds, a few points. Point the First, most of the compounds that had previously circulated on the so called ‘Research Chemical’ market were closer to mescaline, DMT, or other simple tryptamines; they were not really structurally close to LSD. Maybe if something like ETH-LAD etc. were to come out there might be more of a direct comparison. Point the Second, that being said many persons may find a particular compound that clearly outshines either LSD or mushrooms for them. It depends on what they are looking for. Compounds like 2C-E, 5-MeO-DMT, etc. may provide some with more insight. Compounds like 5-MeO-MiPT etc. may be more what some are looking for. And so on. Believe it or not some people actually do not like either LSD or mushrooms and prefer most of the phenethylamines over them. Some people also seek shorter or longer durations. Point the Third, how about some actual data? In stead of giving my personal opinions though, I will give you the collective opinion of the hundreds of persons who saw fit to respond to my surveys (they are also available in nice pretty graphic format in this same forum). Anyway, here goes (note the scores are on the DOSRS scale which runs roughly A+, A, B, C, D, E, F; where a score of ‘B’ or better is considered ‘worthwhile’). Phenethylamines and their Fly cousins: 2C-B-FLY (25 Respondents) 87.0% Considered ‘Worthwhile.’ 2C-C (39 Respondents) 84.6% Considered ‘Worthwhile.’ 2C-D (24 Respondents) 83.3% Considered ‘Worthwhile.’ 2C-E (94 Respondents) 92.6% Considered ‘Worthwhile.’ 2C-I (123 Respondents) 75.6% Considered ‘Worthwhile.’ 2C-P (8 Respondents) 75% Considered ‘Worthwhile. 2C-T-2 (32 Respondents) 68.8% Considered ‘Worthwhile.’ 2C-T-7 (19 Respondents) 73.7% Considered ‘Worthwhile.’ DOB-DFLY (6 Respondents) 66.7% Considered ‘Worthwhile.’ DOC (48 Respondents) 93.8% Considered ‘Worthwhile.’ DOI (13 Respondents) 69.2% Considered ‘Worthwhile.’ Tryptamines: 4-AcO-DET (10 Respondents) 90% Considered ‘Worthwhile.’ 4-AcO-DiPT (13 Respondents) 92.3% Considered ‘Worthwhile.’ 4-AcO-MiPT (14 Respondents) 92.9% Considered ‘Worthwhile.’ 4-HO-DET (4 Respondents) 25% Considered ‘Worthwhile.’ 4-HO-DiPT (26 Respondents) 88.5% Considered ‘Worthwhile.’ 4-HO-MiPT (27 Respondents) 100% Considered ‘Worthwhile.’ 5-MeO-AMT (24 Respondents) 33.3% Considered ‘Worthwhile.’ 5-MeO-DALT (3 Respondents) 33.3% Considered ‘Worthwhile.’ 5-MeO-DiPT (24 Respondents) 50% Considered ‘Worthwhile.’ 5-MeO-DMT (47 Respondents) 89.4% Considered ‘Worthwhile.’ 5-MeO-DPT (2 Respondents) 50% Considered ‘Worthwhile.’ 5-MeO-MiPT (13 Respondents) 100% Considered ‘Worthwhile.’ AMT (27 Respondents) 66.7% Considered ‘Worthwhile.’ DPT (36 Respondents) 97.2% Considered ‘Worthwhile.’ I B
Technically LSD is a research chemical but I do distinguish between LSD and other RCs because LSD has been out much longer and has established itself within a category of its own within the mass culture. As I said there is no correct answer to which is the best, because we all have our own preferences. I do prefer LSD because Shulgin's drugs make me vomit or give me severe headaches. When I say vomit I mean vomit: I am like a rocket shooting stuff out. While LSD causes nausea in some people, I have never ever heard of LSD consistently making people vomit like this. Because I took 2C-E with apple juice and had such a bad stomach, to this day I cannot drink apple juice (which I used to like!) because I associate it with the effects of 2C-E. I find it hard to believe that 2C-E or similar RCs can ever develop a popular following among drug users. I think those responding to these "surveys" are self-selected and a minority even among those interested in psychedelics. When Deadheads go to fests, they want LSD and shrooms (both time-tested), not these RCs. When you get an RC and get a bad stomach or get a crappy trip for longer than you anticipated, it's not a good thing. There are plenty of negative reports of people getting RCs rather than LSD and having their whole weekend ruined. The RCs will always have a niche following, but they will never ever overtake LSD in popularity -- unless something better is created than which currently exists on the market, which is very possible.
it hasnt been found in nature because it is too unstable at normal temperatures. The evolutionary advantage of having LSD instead of LSA, i.e. more potency, in for example HBWR would be negated by the fact that the plant's enzymes would constantly be having to manufacture LSD molecules as they break down, wasting a lot of energy for the plant and reducing it's chances of survival. Also you mention lack of negative effects, that is precisely why it is less likely to be present in plants. From the plants point of view, it wants to fuck you over so badly you can't defend yourself from predators. Under the influence of LSD, even at high doses (my highest is only 400mics but even still), you feel surprisingly capable of functioning properly, for example i reckon you could fight to some extent as the visual distortions mainly involve patterns and textures. And LSD feels less confusing than some other hallucinogens, you can focus on a task with less trouble than with others. Anyone who has done mushrooms to a high dose (my highest is 4 grams) and has experienced there vision so warped it is unrecognisable would agree that you could not defend yourself under the influence. For example objects can morph into different objects entirely. And your balance is affected quite badly as well. This is the opposite of LSD where i feel as if I could perform physically demanding tasks better.
Stomach issues are associated with phens, not really a fest drug. I puked almost ev ery time I ate 2c-e, and I ate that shit lots of times.
that's very true, one of the reasons mescaline makes people so nauseous. a beta-blocker eliminates that somatic effect, so would ginger (as you guys have pointed out)
LSD beats out RC's in almost all areas - that said, 30mg of 2c-i can make me ACTUALLY see purple elephants or whatever the hell else I imagine (closed-eye, after smoking
