Topic: Anti-Christians.

By the large number of threads started to attack Christians and the huge volume of posts against Christians, I am compelled to ask, "Why? Why do so many deem it neccessary to attack the morals and beliefs of Christians?" Most will come to the defense of religions, and nonreligions that are not Christian based, but rarely does one come to the defense of Christians. There are many religions and beliefs that are much older than Christianity, but they are not attacked. A lot of what I read against Christianity is that it is old, or outdated. Seems to me that by that reasoning, no belief system beyond last year is worthy of believing. What do Christian bashers gain by thier assaults on Christians?

 

I believe Jesus answered this question.

This is from John 15:18-26 I believe.


f the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me. If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.He that hateth me hateth my Father also. If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. But [this cometh to pass], that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.


That should about sum it up.

 

People often argue against what they don't fully understand. Christianity doesn't fit most people because they find it too difficult. Society has a hard time abstaining from things. But yeah, that verse pretty much sums it up.

 

remember that christians once tried to erase other religons. this is way back mind u. but it has always been looked at that christianity is a violent religon. and then compare it to buddism and u look like the warlords of the world. u asked u got an answer from a non believer. don't bite my head off.

 

I guess my cynicism of Christianity comes from growing up as an atheist in the conservative Christian Midwest (and America's puritanism in general), growing up knowing a good number of people that are real hardcore Bible-beaters and all. It doesn't leave a good impression of devout Christians on you, especially the ones that howl fire-and-brimstone for the unrepentent. And the religious right that try to push their beliefs on the rest of us don't help either.

I've become more tolerant as I grew up, after I made a minor shift to agnosticism/humanism. I'm not really anti-Christian, though fundamentalists tend to be my pet peeve so you might say I'm anti-fundie. When holier-than-thou people condescend to non-believers and talk as if the rest of us live in some dark pit of ignorance and damnation, I feel they deserve the same treatment.

 

Well, I say this to you:

Do you hold all black people responsable when one commits a crime?
Is every dog a vicious beast when one attacks a child?
Is every soldier inhumane when one mistreats an enemy?
Are all white people snoby?

The answers....no.

When I see the idiot people holding signs that say "God Hates Gay's" I can't help but think how mislead they are by Satan. I am a Christian, and I am certainly not better than you. Why do I talk to people about my faith? Well, for one, I am comanded too. Another reason is because I want others to enjoy the relationship I have with God for themselves. You will make your decision for yourself. I can not force you to believe in anything. The only thing I can ask you is to ignore the bad apples that you see and do not allow them to cloud your judgment for true believers.

 

i don't like christianity, because every christian i have ever met tells me in order to be a good person i need to go to church and believe what they believe. and they get mad at me when i explain i can't just set my life aside for a book of stories.



i'm just telling you the truth, you asked for it so don't get all pissed off.

 

Only if they say they're christians.

 

I fail to see all these threads of people attacking christians. Maybe I am not looking in the right place. What I see is a lot of good-hearted debate - diagreements over idelas, beleifs, interpretations and principals. Just becasue someone doesn't agree with your perspective doesn't mean that they are attacking you.


True I do see people get fed up occasionally and post insulting text, but I find it is generally directed at an individual who is playing an active role in aggrevating the situation. Not christians in general.

I have been called ignorant becasue I investigated what was handed to me.
I have been called damned because I do not beleive what I was sold.
I have been called blind because I read instead of assumed.

I do not call names... I refute points. Who is doing the attacking?

 

Yes, but it's a human thing to catogorize individuals into groups, it's easier to assign character traits to groups than to individuals. It's easier to asses goups than is it to asses on a case by case basis, ya see. Now, i don't hate christians, some of my best buds are christian. What I DO hate are closed minded ignoramouses. Jerry Falwell=idiot, The Ayyatola Komeni=idiot, Joseph Stalin=idiot, our pastor=idiot. Stupidity, hate, intollerance, they cross all racial, religious, and intellectual barriers. Heh, you could say it's what binds us as a species. Now, kinda put yerself in LuciferSam's shoes. If you were ridiculed and made fun of by, say, black kids, when you were a kid, wouldn't you have a less favorable view of black people than someone who wasn't assaulted?

 

Theres a kind of intolerance on both sides - some, not all, christians are very narrow and condemn anyone who isn't a christian, or even a christian of their particular brand. Many people form their impressions of christianity from such people's ravings.

Many critcs are not well informed about the beliefs held by modern christians - they think people still believe as they did in the middle-ages. And to some extent , where 'fundamentalists' are concerned, this is true. But the 'official' doctrine of the catholic church, for example, has moved on a long way since then.
Also - and crucially - the church, and therefore christianity is seen as too much a part of the establishment - part of the framework of authority. The teachings of christianity seem to many to have been distorted beyond all recognition to render the thing a useful tool in the hands of the 'controllers'.
The other major factor that I think puts off a lot of folks, esp. the young, is a percieved 'anti-sex' factor.

 

usually when christian places are being attacked its because the christian people are doing stomething right....i.e. rejecting the devil. Perhaps the reason that this forum is being attacked because v#before the attack we were pleasing God and worrying the devil.

roly.xxx

 

Quote from Warrior: sea: I have fought, and won my fights, against minorities, (hispanics and blacks). I have never to my knowledge had a physical confrontation with a gay person.
Perhaps you should study a bit about National Socialism before claiming that it does not mix with Christianity. You may be mistaking Communism for Socialism. It happens alot.

Here is a quote from poor persecuted warrior, a holocaust denier and racist nazi.

 

christinity is the big abstinance... it is illogical, and foolish (imo), and is actually very bad for a person to live their life around... therefore why I would consider myself one of these... "anti-christians"

christians on hipforums are a lot different than 90% of the christians i meet around my town though...

still still, no reason to be pro-christian

 

how are we different?

roly.xxx

 

well not speaking for all of you , i haven tmet all of you... but some of the christians on hipforums are a lot more PEACE LOVING, liberal, and intelligent than the christians i meet round here.

 

the fact that one can offer proof that christianity is nothing more than stories and still be "ignorant"..."uneducated"..."evil" and everything else non-believers are called makes me a bit cynical towards christianity...also i grew up in utah in an area where at least 90% are mormons...and the massive indoctrination that goes on all around me has made me want nothing to do with others who shove spiritual ideas down my throat...i chose along time ago to not believe anything anyone tells me when it comes to spirituality, but instead find god on my own path.

 

-That's because usually it is the true Christians that like to talk about God and the Christians who "worship Jesus with their lips" are the ones that warm up the church seats and never say a word to anyone about their faith.

Jesus said. "These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me."-Matt. 15:8

"They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him."-Titus 1:16

Not everyone that says that they are a Christian is a Christian. Please do not be fooled.

 

Visit one of the other threads concerning proving us wrong. In truth, The Bible proves us right. It is sad that every apple tree has bad apples. What is worse are that so many people want to judge a whole group bassed on the actions of just a few.

The fact that I can offer proof that The Bible is true should not make you cynical, but should make you realize the lies you have been told.
http://www.apologeticsinfo.org/papers/trustworthinessofthebible.html

 

Oh the lies... yeah them. I can see how people get fed up with this same message over and over again. The lies throughout history are easy to spot. They are not the messages that come from research, from science, from our hearts.


We have been told lies for nearly two thousand years now (the earth is flat, it is the center of the universe, we were sculpted out of mud, god created the earth 6000 years ago.. etc. etc.) and just now are we beginning to lift the veil from the dark age where you are TOLD what is true. Find out for yourself and you will see past the lies too.