Planning on trying salvia!!

Hi guys i just started smoking pot... well for 2 months so im fairly new but i want to try salvia there is this kid at school who buys it off the net ( his parents dont give a fuck what he does ) I want to try it , i was wondering what to expet i read a couple of trip stories , it seems fairly cool , nothing i cant handle....the second tiem i smoked weed i had a panic attack which i never have anymore its becasue i was really nervuce and scared to get caught.

My friend is selling me salvia (5$ worth for a couple of bowls) is that about right??

also do you recomend i have a trip friend or somthing there sober with me? when i first do it??? Im asking my friend to do it with me and some of his friends next time becasue i wanna do it with someone who is experences??/ any ideas??

Is salvia known to cause permamint damage?? or is it just like marijuana? it wont affect me mentaly? ( for ever )

no one i know had any problems... suggestions?

 

Well first of all. Know what your getting yourself into.
Read everything here:
http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia.shtml
and here:
http://www.sagewisdom.org

Secondly, two months of smoking pot? You think your ready at mind?
I suggest becoming familiar with the psychedelics by trying mushrooms and LSD first. Salvia is a deep, introspective hallucinogen, maybe the most powerful known to man. I've done salvia once, I plan to wait at least a year or more until I am prepared mentally. Trust me, you do not just 'see shit' on salvia. Salvia is a completly different realm of existance where you have no comprehension of who you are or where you came from. 'You' is lost, and only your mind exists. "Nothing you can't handle"...Thats laughable.

But since your not going to listen to me and do it anyways, Do it with a sitter, one trusted friend who can watch you and make sure you don't destroy yourself. Go into the experience with a goal, let it take you over as was said before, don't try to fight it. Consider mindset and setting carefully.

As far as long term side effects go, not much is known as it is relatively unknown and not vastly researched.

 

have a sober sitter present.

set and setting may be irrelevant; it's not quite like LSD or shrooms. dissociation is extreme

 

Tell you the truth im kinda curious on who i am and what i want to be , im thinking mabye experementing with some drugs like pot and salvia , might show me the way to being my self... or show me what i should do and what path i might follow.

Im not planning on doing LSD.. im not sure when i might do salvia i might do it in a month or in the summer i wanna make everything perfect , i dont want to do it outsidfe becasue i might wonder off and be 'lost'

so inside is the best but i cant do it at home "parents"...so im trying to figure out the best sinerio.

I belive what i will see , wont harm me ... im not scared about that the thing that im scared about is ... im a parran
oide kid meaning , if i have an irregular heart beat i might freak out and think its a big deal thats what happend on my second time smoking pot , i had a higher heart beat and freaked out and made a big deal over it causing it to go even more and i scared my self thinking id get a heart attack

now im going to try to relax and take it slow and chills before i do salvia .. is that a good idea?

the thing about this is , the only drugs i would ever want to do are " Psychedelics" I love seing something new , expanding my mind ... going into another world.

Would i accomplish that with salvia?

See the thing is the person who im buying it from , doesnt really want to do it with anyone , so im scared to do it with just me and my pot buddy and im scared to ask people to sit with us becasuse i dont know how much i can trust them? what do you recomend , should i just ask a good friend of mine who i can trust to just sit with us?

ALSO?? arnt mushrooms and LSD WORSE? becasue i heard salvia can last only 1 - 2 hours so if ur having a bad trip it doesnt last as long as mushrooms... plus in my highschool not alot of people do LSD and mushrooms all we do here is Salvia , Coke , Pot and i never wanted to try coke , im into Psychedelics, i live in a hudge city toronto canada.... i guess if i look hard enough ill find it ... but im more interested in salvia at the moment.

 

Alright another question since you guys are helping me alot..

A friend of mine , we arnt good friends but we talk w/e you want to call that he is getting 40x ( salvia ) im guessing thats the potency? should i do 40x with him for my first time?? or should i do it and take a VERY small amount. What does 40x ( 5x ) (20x) etc stand for?

The only psychedelic i ever used was pot , and thats why im not sure if im strong minded but im willing to try a Small amount for my first time and see if im ready. The thing about me is , if i like somthing i want to do it over and over again so i made my self a promiss to go as far as Salvia and not do LSD and Shrooms... well not unitll i get into univercity. My friend has been doing salvia so i wanted to try it ...He said hes picking it up today so i might do it this weekend , any last tips i need.....

I read a couple of trip storys , it doesnt seem anything i cant handle... it kinda sounds like a dream,

THe thing im worried about is salvia known to cause permamind damage to the body? i know u can go "insane" etc.... but

like pot ( it doesnt damage your brain physicaly... it only alters your chemestery) , Would salvia damage me physicaly..? How much of a dose should i do for my first time??

1 hit? and hold it in for 20 seconds or more .. and wait?
When will savia start working and ill feel it?

The second i start feeling it is it intence right away or does it build up?


Im debating weither to do it soon or wait a couple of more months and do it with my good friend , while the only thing stopping me from waiting is we have no where to do it .... like both our houses have our parents in it 24/7 and we dont want to do it outside ... while my aqantence w/e u wanna call him , has a house and his parents dont give a fuck what he does ...

so im thinking of trying it with him , and if i like it then ill figure it out with my good friend...?

 

I think you are seriously underestimating the power of salvia. DO NOT take 40x for your first time. I know some very experienced people who have sworn never to take another psychedelic after taking salvia. If you think you can handle it by all means go ahead, but nothing can prepare you for the intensity of this substance. You should definetely try mushrooms or acid first. Here are lots of trip reports if you have not seen them already.
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Salvia_divinorum.shtml

It really doesn't matter who you do it with, if you break through you will be so disassociated you will not know who, where or even what you are. I'm not trying to scare you but I know that many people underestimate salvia because of its legal status. IME it can be far more powerfull than most other psychedelics.

 

Question would 40x matter , lets say if you take a small amount of 40x ... instead of a larger amount of 5x.. my friend said it didnt matter for your first time but im starting to trust you guys...

Should i just say NO WAY ! no 40x.... and ask for 5x?

The thing is that that kid is the only kid who sells salvia at my school , and he is buying 40x now...so i dont know what should i tell him to get 5x?? or what is a good amount for a first timemr , to see somthing but not freak out.

I read the stories it sounds like i could handle it. but now im just worried that 40x is way to much....

 

Some people experience a reverse tolerance effect and I suspect this is what your friend is getting at but I would even go with plain leaves for your first time. I did this and was very very glad I did not use an extract but I suspect I may be sensitive to Salvinorin. It is up to you but it is better to be cautious IMO. Smoking technique is also very important, I am convinced that many people who claim not to have gotten any effect from it are just not smoking it properly. I suggest you read the "SD users guide" over on sagewisdom.org.

 

Physical as in ... some drugs , like METH or smelling toxic cans can cause brain damage right away physical... Im worried that lets say after i smoke salvia , will i i get any physical damage , like could the smoke effect my brain or could it hurt any other organs in my body? Or is it almost as safe as marijuana in the physical sense as nothing is damaged inside ur body.

Also if he only does have 40x do u recomend me to take a small amount or not to take it period?

 

You do know you can buy salvia online or in headshops? I would never buy it from a dealer.

 

Here is the thing , i belive you have to be 18 to buy from head shops.

and Online my parents woudnt let me use there credit card for drugs lol.
So i ask my friend to buy for me..

but hes buying 40x alot of it... and i dont know if i should do it or not.

 

Perfect thanks ill ask my friend to buy me a x5 or x10 to start is that good ??

also im guessing "#x" = potency lvl?

 

yes x is potency. higher it is, harder you'll trip. but honestly, dont do 5x, do 10x-20x something in this branch. Ive done 5x twice and never really accomplished what i wanted. and for your first trip, most chances are you wont feel anything... either by not inhaling properly or simply because of the fact people have tendency to salvinorin-a.. and usually, it takes 2-3 trips before getting full effects... but the full effects of 10x are more intense then 5x, 5x is more of a mindfuck. so is 10x, but its a more fun mindfuck lol

 

Ah so you recomend i do 10x for my first time , also .... stebo32 , u are in canada do headshops here allow kids 15 year old buy salvia?? should i ask an older friend to go in and buy it??

Im very very interested in trying it , but i dont know who to do it with... my other friend is buying 40x ... he said and im thinking its WAY over my limit for my first trip i dont wanna mess my self up.

I wanna make sure my trip is as confertable as possable becasue i read a couple of trip stories and salvia is on my 'MUST TRY' list. lol

I just have one question , if we do not have a sober sitter... is there a big chance of me causing harm to my self? I read alot of trip stories no one actually caused harm to them selfs.... from the ones i read "10x - 20x" leaves or extract...

You might be right but i know how to inahle , i am a pot smoker and when i smoke pot i try to keep it in me as long as possable to prepair for salvia... all you have to do is hold it for 20 + seconds.

 

well about the headshops, i dont know.. i never went to buy salvia there but apparently you need to be 18.. maybe bring a fake ID or somehting, but the salvia i got was from www.salviasupply.com where an older friend bought some 10x, 20x and leaves and i tripped on all of em, and also 5x.

from experience, the first time i tried, nothing much happened. only body felt cold, very cold and unconfortable.

and yes 40x would most probably be too much for the first time. especially if you have no experience whatsoever with psychedelics (except marijuana, i dont compare marijuana to shrooms, lsd nor salvia. far from it).

no i seriously doubt you will cause harm to yourself, but its always probable... its good to have someone watching you who IS sober preferably (but experienced so he doesnt piss you off by saying stuff like "youre so stupid") ive tripped up to 5 times alone, and honesly nothing happened ... i never move around (except once).. im always dead stoned on my bed.

But for inhaling, its different from pot, you gotta inhale at the precise time not too fast etc etc...

thats pretty much how it goes : you put in your pipe, bong whatever. light it with a torch lighter preferably (normal lighter will do the trick *ive always used normal lighter and a normal metal pipe*) NEVER roll it in a joint, that is just stupid. then inhale for 20+ seconds yes... and bang... youll feel something already, but take your other puff ... 20 seconds again. and then have a nice ride buddy. the peak is only like 2-3 minutes. and you trip for like 15 minutes, and then youll feel funny for an hour. thats all.

 

if you have a pipe and all that, don't worry about your parents catching you. most people will say use a sitter, but i disagree. unless you have someone who you are COMPLETELY comfortable with, another person in the room could distract you and you'll spend your time worrying about them instead of letting the salvia take you where it wants you to go. i've heard a lot of stories where the person gets freaked out by their sitter, they turn into monsters or seem to be yelling mean things at them. i personally was really bothered when i smoked with my friend, because she kept saying things like "what the hell are you doing?" and i felt i couldn't let the salvia take hold of me. trying to fight it is the worst thing you can do.

at the most, you'll take three hits, which isn't very much smoke. blow it into a pillow or something. do it late at night so you don't have to worry about anyone bugging you. you won't be able to talk, and if you can, your words will feel like they're dripping awkwardly out of your mouth. make sure your room is clean, there aren't any sharp things laying around, and close your door (lock it if it has a lock). the worst thing that could happen would be you'd either wander around without realizing you were moving, and wake up with a bruise because you fell over something, or you'll do too much and either black out or go into a dimension you're not ready to visit. no matter what happens, it will all be over in a few minutes.

it's a very powerful drug, which you should always respect. but don't be scared. even a bad trip is enlightening and it WILL end, you WILL go back to normal.

 

Ya thats exactly why i want to try it , but im scared to do it alone becasue i would rather do it with a group of people so i know everyone is going threw almost the same thing , and i feel confertable somtimes doing it with my good friend.

I have a metal pipe so im set all i need is salvia , and i dont know where to buy it from Internet = No ( i dont have a credit card )

and most head shops i guess dont sell to minors like me im just 15 and i look really yonge for my age. So i dont know how to get around it , my bro doesnt want me to do salvia there for he woudnt buy it for me so im kinda stuck in a rutt , my friend buys salvia off the net with his parents credit card and sells it at school but he only sells a couple of bowls for 5$ Also i have a feeling hes ripping me off but there is nothing i can do for now i guess....

i want to at least try it 4 times with people so i can grasp the main idea of it becasue no matter what anyone tells you , you cant tell till you try it first hand.
Im planning on doing 20x .

My good friend wants me to wait till summer and do it with him but i might do it with my other friend becasue he is way more experenced and i wanan just get a grasp of it ... and know around what i should be feeling and learn how ot inhale - thanks guys any more help you can give me??

any other ways of me toget my hands on the belovid salvia without buying of the net since my parents will prob open a big box labed to me and i cant use there credit #.

Im not planning to go as far as LSD , i might I MIGHT try shrooms im not sure for now i thinkg salvia is enough. plus salvia comes in different potencys and types should last me a while to try them all and see the difference.



Also should i do it from a water bottle bong etc , for my first time becasue mostly when i smoke pot i cought sometimes becasue the smoke gets harsh , or is hot.... and i dont wanna waste salvia. Im alright with the holding in part but im worried if the smoke is hotter then normal on my pipe i might ujst cough my lungs out right away.

any advice on that?

 

You seem very mature and articulate but I do think 15 is very young to trip on anything. I myself wish I had waited. But by all means go ahead.

 

What do you mean by that?

I want to experence it now , while im still a teen ..becasue when im older chances are i might have a busy life and wont have time for this so i want to have as much time in highschool to have fun and just be a messed up teenager

 

if you do end up getting it off the internet somehow (if you gave someone cash and used their credit card, or sent a money order, or something) you could have it sent to your friends house. but depending on where you buy it and how much you get, it probably won't come in a huge box. it'll most likely be a small box or a little padded envelope.

i know what you mean about wanting to be around people so you know they're going through something similar. but just a word of advice... you won't know who you are, or what you are, so you won't know who or what they are either. and when they are speaking to you in a language you can't understand, or if they try to touch you, that can be scary as hell. you're NEVER going to "grasp the main idea of it", but i seriously think you should try some low doses by yourself just to know how it feels. then if you become more comfortable with it, try it with some friends. i only know that i have never heard a person say "i was so glad to have someone there with me", but i have heard people say they were immensely irritated or frightened by the presence of others.

if you do do it the first time with other people, don't do too much of too high an extract.

i hope you have good luck finding and smoking this beautiful plant, and i hope you enjoy yourself as much as possible.