Warning: DOC

I'm posting this because I have three confirmed, seperate incidents (and people) who went to the hospital as a result of DOC.

#1: AS (Initials) Took dose at approx. 9:30. 8mg +/- 1mg
Other Drugs: 2 beers, one cigar (petit corona)
At approx 2:30 am, he had to go to the hospital as a result of the DOC. He was having muscle spasms, difficulty breathing, and extremely fast heart pulpitations. He *was* tested for drugs, but came back negative, indicating that the DOC will not show up on drug tests. He is now taking percaset and flexinol (a muscle relaxant) as prescribed.

Previous exp: 10mg +/-1mg, described it as the best visuals of his life, great trip, very hard trip, ~10 hits of good cid.

#2: SWIM Took dose at ~4:30pm. 25mg +/-1mg
Blacked out for 3 hours from 6:30-9:30ish, all approx. When waking up, he felt sensations of fuzziness (like a body part falling asleep, but almost pleasurable). Saw huge amounts of thin glass tubes on ceiling. completely unable to distinguish reality from fantasy. Told mom about them, thinking she could see. Unable to stand up to prevent her from finding stash (one casing of shrooms growing, some shrooms drying, few pipes, 1.5oz weed). Dangerously low blood pressure.

#3: SB Took dose at ~9:30pm. 15 +/-1mg
Blacked out, woke up, rampaged the house. Sent to ER< blacked out again.

DOC is a dangerous drug. Do not eyeball it ever. Period. It won't show up on drug tests, but that doesn't mean to use it excessively. I find the best dosage to be around 6mg, but start LOW. that means 2mg.

 

good lookin' out, chief

 

I love DOC, but it's a very powerful drug, doses of 15-25mgs are a recipe for disaster. No RC should be eyeballed, obviously, but the DOX chems have far less margin for error than most. I've never went above 10mgs, even that was to much. I agree 6mg is ideal, but only for those with experience. Off topic, but DOI sucks, IMO. I tried it first, and it nearly prevented me from trying DOC, glad it didn't.

 

Those are ridiculous doses to take of any DOx compund regardless of previous experience. What the fuck were they expecting. 25mg? WTF? These cases could have easily been far worse. I can't believe anybody could be so irresponsible, these drugs are not toys. All we need know is some stupid kid ODing on DOC and it's gone.

 

I personally like 2mg with a bunch of pot just having a good time. But trying higher doses is definitly an experience. In the future, i wouldn't go higher than 5mg, but that's just to play it safe.

 

Well thank you for being our guinea pig and establishing that doses this high don't always kill (although I'm sure they do in some cases) but please be carefull in future. I would never dream on taking such a dose of any unresearched chemical.

 

Several points people.

1) Shulgin’s recommended dosing on this compound is and I quote: “1.5 - 3.0 mg.” Some persons have had full +++ experiences off of 0.5-3.0 mg. and no more.

2) When working in the realm of single digit milligram doses, even milligram scales cannot be fully trusted to be sufficiently accurate.

3) “Eyeballing” is not a form of mass measurement… it a phrase that communicates ignorance not information.

4) It is an open question whether well educated 20 somethings can really make ‘informed decisions’ about little researched compounds… Anyone who makes them available to young teens (especially DOx compounds!) is a knave of the 1st order.

5) The above being stated, it is better to hear about adverse events than not; if for no other reason than to prevent future occurrences.

6) Lastly the title really should be “Drugs Are Dangerous.” While there are clearly large differences in the levels and types of dangers… all taking of drugs (legal or illegal, natural or synthetic, Rx or not Rx) involves some amount of potential risk. Accurate information can minimize this risk, but it will never completely eliminate it.



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I just realized the original poster is 15, that explains alot. Probably a good thing I didn't know about this stuff at that age. 2 hospital visits just from one guy and his friends, this stuff will be scheduled in no time.

 

i got mad at this kid in a previous thread for recomending taking 25mg of 2c-i on your first time. Obviously this is not a person who's advice should be taken.

TOKETRIP, listen, u know nothing about these chems. Do u not care about your life?
You dont use a scale, u mess around with one of the most potent chems. STOP IT!!!

i know u are getting your shits and giggles right now, but in reality u could be doing alot of harm, and really u are in no position to do that as it is your paretns who will have to pay the medical bills. And u are ruining this scene for people who care greatly about these chemicals.

once again STOP FUCKING AROUND.

go smoke a joint or something and enjoy that untill u are old enough and smart enough to make wiser decisions.

peace.

 

haha yes, knave is a synonym for scoundrel and scallywag. Both excellent words.

 

Thanks, got anything constructive?

 

Thanks, since I'm sure you know the inns and outs of my life. Also, all but mine were measured on a 250x.001g scale lab scale.

Sorry for the double post.

 

Yes, actually. Try using this stuff in a halfway responsible way so we can keep it legal for awhile. I'm not saying don't trip, I was doing lsd and shrooms at your age, just don't screw things up for everyone.

 

I second that emotion. Thanks, FS.

 

I'm not sure that I believe anyone took 25 mg's of any do. is C like I in the wayt that if you dose higher it lasts longer? Casuse 25 mg's, I see taking a week vacation for that sort of shit. Whatever.

 

The only DOx overdose I know of was with DOB. This guy took "Ecstasy", which turned out to be DOB. He didn't come up after an hour, decided they were shit pills and took 3 more. He ended up pulling his eyeball out with a pliers because "he had to get something out of his head". I've heard of people chewing doorhandles until their gums bleed after taking too many of these pills. So high dose DOx is definetely a bad idea.

 

DOC dose guild has now been posted on erowid/

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/doc/doc_dose.shtml\

Nowhere does it say 25mg is a recommended dose.
In fact 5mg is a very heavy duty trip for most people. After reading other forums 3mg seems the average dose, still lots find that 2mgs is enough.

cheers

 

This is a little bit of work I did a while back on doses of DOC people were reporting. The important points have been bolded:



“One analyzed all reports on this Bluelight thread up to 12:00 AM EST 21.1.2006 (831 total posts). One tried to summarize all clearly reported doses of DOC (63) and include interesting errata for some possible overview data.

5.80 mg. Overall Average Reported Dose.
4.00 mg. Average Reported Dose if one throws out the 9 reports > 10mg.

ERRATA:
Several persons reported notable threshold activity around 250-300 micrograms (0.25-0.3 mg.).
Several persons reported very strong responses (‘fully active,’ ‘intense,’ ‘+++’) in the 1-1.5 mg. range.
At least one post alleged no effects at 4 mg.
Some reports of rectal administration.
A report of an accidental dose of 15-20 mg. rectally due to the compound being mistaken for 2C-C/2C-I.
A report of 3-6 mg. insufflated and a report of 10 mg. insufflated.
psychicpsycho reported an ingestion of 15 mg. that pretty much had him ‘done’ with psychedelics.
blab reported notable tolerance when running up dosing as follows: 1,2,3,5,8,13,17,22mg.
crowbar reported taking doses from 0.5 mg up to 20 mg. with adverse effects being noted around 20 mg.
Nuke commented on DOB mortality in the 25-35 mg. range, possibly suggesting that all dosing should remain well below 25 mg.
Blue Dolphin noted side effects as:
“Nausea: 10%
Vomiting: 5% (half of the "nausea" group)
Body Temp Issues: 10%
"Weird Smells": 3%
Excess Stimulation: 15%
Inability to Sleep past the 20-hour mark: 35%”
gloggawogga noted some of the following reported side-effects:
“Chest pressure/pain.
Stomach pain
body temperature instability
muscle twitching/shaking
lethargy
nausea/vomiting.
seizures”

The reported doses used to calculate below:
250 ug
.25mg
0.3mg
0.5mg
1mg
1mg
1
1mg
1.4mg
2mg
2 mg
2mgs
2mg
2mg
2
2mg
2.5mg
2 ½
2.5 mg
2-4mgs
3mg
3mg
3 mgs
3 mgs REC
3mg
3mg-6mg INS
4mg,
4mg
4+4mg
4mg
4mg no effects
4mg
4 mgs
4.4mg
4-5mg
5
5mg
5mg
5mg
5mg
5 mg
5-6mg
6mg
6mg
6mg
6-7mg
7mg
8mgs
8mg
8
9
10mg DM
10mgs
10mg INS
11.5mg
12 mg. DM
13
15mg Psychicpsycho
15-20 REC???
17
20mg DM
20
22”

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HEY COCHIZ, IF YOU WAnt to be listened to, consider making an effort to spell.

Clearly you aren't in a talking position if you would compare cocaine to a psychadelic....

Also, I started dosages around 1mg, got used to it 3/4 times at around 4-5mg, then tried higher doses. My personal experiences at 10-15mg were not pleasurable, but were saturated with very distinct hallucinations in all senses except taste. Muscle tension became an issue after passing the 10mg threshhold, but it wasn't enough of a problem to warrant stopping. After having the most visuals of any trip around 20mg (albeit accompanied by a good bit of muscle and jaw tension... I alleviated this by taking a borderline dose of tramadol which helped significantly; I also had the desire to chew a smallb it out of my left lip, something that also occurred at 25mg as well), the next natural dosage was 25mg (I was unable to seperate reality with fantasy). I didn't just start with no experience at some of the higher doses taken.

WARNING: ANY CHEMICAL. TAKING 10X THE NORMAL AMOUNT USED FOR SOMEONE WITH NO TOLERANCE WILL SEND YOU TO THE HOSPITAL.

fucking obviously dude.

Except for....: acid, mescaline, marijuana, mushrooms, a whole lot of herbs & plants, nitrous (if taken with oxygen), and caffeine to name a few.


thats a lesson 15 year olds learn. everyone learns the lesson to not be dumb with drugs. some people go to the hospital when they learn it, and some people don't.

in my opinion your post contained no information responsible drug users didn't already know.

Did yours?

Also, I didn't go to the hospital, and was sharing the negative effects at higher doses as an example of what not to do. Pull your head out of your ass, and also don't act like you know shit when your generalizations are clearly far off.


One more thing, stop making a point of my age. Plenty of older people have done stupider things, and just because your parents fucked first doesn't give you the right to condescend. Also, before anybody can say "BUT WE HAVE GOT MORE LIFE EXPERIENCE" consider that I don't care, and very likely have more experience with psychadelics than a majority of you. Thanks.

 

AS (first user) was unable to sleep for ~60 hours, and was still experiencing visuals during this time.

My trips tend to last less time than most (i tend to come down 2-3 hours earlier than everyone else on acid and about 30min-1hour shorter on shrooms. I also tend to hit plateau slightly faster. I assume it's because of my metabolism) I was still seeing visuals for about 48 hours after my trip, but was able to sleep the night (~30 hours after dosing) after the tirp... the first night i was up all night.