Illegal Immigration

Well it's pretty simple supply and demand. Larger supply of workers, same (or rather lessening due to outsourcing) demand for them.. So good for the government and corporations, bad for the people. This country (and by that I mean the people who comprise it) would be much better off with the situation reversed.. That being the whole idea of unions and such.

 

The demand supply argument suggests there is a fixed demand for jobs, as if it were musical chairs. Illegal immigrants make the economy bigger. If they didn't why is unemployment so low?

 

We DO need immigration reform, but we do not need to create measures to chase these people out of our country.

They are working members of our society, and in many places in the country a backbone of the economy. The immagration reform we really need, IMO, is a way for these people to work within the confines of the law. Allow them to apply for some sort of temporary ID's they can use for employment so they can pay income taxes like the rest of us, and as long as they are working in this country they are legal. With some sort of legal ID they could register their cars, insure themselves and their vehicles, be easier to find and more accountable for crimes, and continue to work and contribute to our society.

We shouldn't be chasing people out of America like this.

 

i'd be a lot more sympathetic to the illegal immigration issue if i didnt see a billion mexican flags.

 

Megara, I agree, as I said in my first post. If they want to be americans, be americans. Not mexicans living illegally in america, because that's the case, we don't want them here.

Sera, I agree, they should be working within the law. That's why we want legal immigration, not illegal. When they're illegally working, not only do they work for less than americans, but they don't pay taxes or social security. Not that the whole fault lies with illegals, but that's gotta be a contributing factor, with 11 million illegals working jobs but not paying social security...forcing the rest of the employed people to shoulder more of a burden. (of course, not all 11 million are working adults).

Pointbreak, don't a lot of illegals send money back to mexico or whatever other country they came from, to their family? My dad works construction with a lot of Mexicans (legal and illegal, i gather) and many send money home to their family, or even work seasonally and spend the rest of their time in Mexico. Their money doesn't expand our economy, it expands Mexico's.

 

Mexicans should be free to move to the Southwestern states as they please....after all, those used to be Mexican lands before the US took it by force and expelled many Mexicans who lived there.

The problem isnt immigration, the problem is why people immigrate. People from poorer countries come to this country in search of work and a better life, unfortunately it seems that the powerful people in this country dont care about that, and typically use immigrants for cheap labour. The same cheap labour that plagues their home countries, except if they move to America, they will be able to make more than 3 cents an hour and be able to live in something slightly better than an aluminiym shack. It is of course bitter irony that the same people who mistreat and oppress them as immigrants here are the people who created such miserable living standards in their own home forcing them to move. They are not slackers or moochers, or anything else the right wing calls them, but rather they are victims of capitalism, just like the factory worker in Ohio who was laid off because his company relocated to Ghana in order to make a killing of cheap labour is a victim of capitalism. The worker in Ghana who starves and works for scraps is a victim of capitalism. Indeed, there are very few people around who arent victims of capitalism. The pissed off unemployed white american and the pissed off overworked Indian-American should not fight eachother over the scraps handed down to them by the elite, rather they should join together fight the elite and procure equal, or at least far more even distribution of wealth.


Ask yourself this, who deserves 50 billion dollars more: Bill Gates or all the starving people in Africa and Latin America?

 

And before it belonged to Mexico it belonged to the Apache,Navajo,Hopi etc. The Apache fought against the Mexican gov't.

 

Actually, illegal immigrants pay more in taxes than they will ever use in services.



I have no proof becuase I cannot find the article, that I read a while back.

 

No, they don't pay social security, but they don't collect it either. And yes, they send the money home and often work seasonally.

But I don't think that changes anything. It costs money to raise and educate people and provide health care for them. By the time you reach working age, you have built up a large tax "deficit", since so much money has been spent on you but you have contributed nothing. Over your lifetime, you'll move into surplus. But immigrants arrive as adults and start working day one.

It is wrong to say that without paying taxes you contribute nothing to the economy. Any economic activity contributes to the economy. These people spend money on food, housing, and whatever else while they are here. They increase demand for goods and services. And their employers benefit, obviously. There are many industries which simply could not be competitive without illegal immigrants. Where are we going to get a huge, seasonal migrant labour force that works for low wages in America? We won't. These businesses will leave the country.

Also, the reason they are illegal is because we make them illegal. Are Sera says, the solution to illegal immigration is legalising it.

 

Another thing is that politicians need to take note of the things that haven't worked in stopping illegal immigration and not repeat them.

 

Illegal immagration being illegal? Gee, there's a thought.

I'm sorry, but if you're an illegal immigrant, you shouldn't be here. I have nothing but opinion to support that. That's why they are called ILLEGAL immigrants.

 

That was pretty much my first thought.. Hot damn, illegal immigration illegal?!?! Now there's a novel idea!

 

White North Americans have no right to complain about illegal immigration, after all, we are all illegal immigrants ourselves. I say this as a White North American. Im not trying to demonize whites, or to even say that European peoples should not be proud of their heritage (I am proud of mine, or at least a good deal of mine, minus the imperialism), But to say that this land is OUR land is absurd. Make every Immigration officer a first nations citizen, then we can talk illegal immigration.

 

what about the native americans that took control of the land away from others? I.e. the iroquois who just simply plundered and pillaged most of the east coast? You dont honestly think they were the first people there...right?

 

I agree with the above poster.

 

There is no such thing as an illegal person. Borders and national identity cause war. Cultural identity is valid, but having immigrants come to a country doesnt destroy the cultural identity. Cultural identities change, it is as simple as that, otherwise modern Greece would be divided by city states and they would still be after the blood of the Iranians. Illegal Immigrants are not slackers, hell, I am a homegrown canadian, and I could outslack any immigrant anytime.

 

Face it. There are borders. Not much we can do about that. At least not in our lifetime. I don't really care about national identity. I care about the fact that these people are coming here ILLEGALLY...why do you think they are called ILLEGAL ALIENS??? I'm not afraid of illegal people in general. I'm afraid of those terriorists that could come here via Mexico...maybe they aren't from MEXICO, but they got here through the border since it's so damn easy.

 

maybe annexing mexico is the solution!

 

blarg...forget it

lol sorry

 

You´re not getting it. Why are they illegal? Because we don´t let them come here legally. It was the same in the UK - it used to be full of illegal east european immigrants. Now with east european countries in the EU, they overnight became legal immigrants. What´s wrong with that? A vastly expanded "guest worker program" would do the same thing. These people are not coming here to steal, they are coming here to work for people that want to hire them. Its a lot like criminalising marijuana. Utterly pointless.