BusTribe

Hello everyone, my name is Jed, and i am One of the busses on The 2006 Bus tribe tour. If you don't already know, we are doing a tour this summer, mostly running on veg. oil, touring the country and filming a documentry about the tribe/culture/Alternative fuels/etc.....As of now i beleive we have 4 busses on the tour. We were hoping for something like 10 busses. I currently have room on my bus for 4 people, and i will be taking emails from folks interested in joining us this summer. I'm really looking forward to this. I am in Knoxville, Tn. and 2 other of us are in Hamilton, Canada. I would like to extend an invitation to anyone who has a bus and would like to join us on this Journey. If you run veggie oil it would be best, because we will be covering a lot of miles. We have a few events lined up that we are doing, but there will be more to come soon. I'll keep you posted. -TennesseeJed

 

Is it hard to change my VW into a Vegi eater? The little hampsters in that motor haven't died yet but I'm worried that if I switch their diet to something a little healthier they'll say "give me all your money and we're take'n a hike"

 

well from my understaind of Veggie transportation your engine needs to be a desile run engine,
(Infact when desile was first devoloped if was off veggie oil, but the good people of those benevolent oil componies saw to that)

Anyways, i remember seeing conversion kits for something around 800$ to give you a general idea of the price range

 

We got the conversion thing under control and taken care of. As far as the Vw thing goes, I have been working on and restoring vw's for over 10 yrs. but were not running vw busses. We are running International school busses, and the like. -J

 

I mean the more schoolbuses the better, but VWs work ....I was just talking to a guy one of our sponsers, well there company has a VW and they were looking into converting it,,, they had an estamate for around 20k canadian....yeah so its not really worth it.

there are some non converted buses, meaning buses with the original school seats available from what I have last learned the cheapest is 1500, they range as high as 3500 canadian. if interested send me an email.


see ya next week jed!!!
peace

 

sounds awesome wish i could join up

 

Hello

I am not sure if this on topic actully it is not. My freind just converted his f250 diesiel to veggitable oil. We are heading from NY to Tn for bonnaroo (sp) then out to co, for nationals we where gonna bring 3 55 gallon drums of oil with us in a small trailor and then refill them as we go. One quick question is there any thing we should do to the barrels to mark them ect. i do not need to give a reason for state tropper to search his truck.... and i am mostly likly being nerotic but just figured i would ask cats that do this all the time... Thanks in advance

rev

 

in your case i would ask the authorities themselves .........hard to tell the highway patrol ,BUT A GUY IN THE CHATROOM TOLD ME IT WAS OKAY.......most states it's illegal to haul fuel on a trailer ....nottalking tractor trailer here .......a friend of mine got busted in maine .he was hauling his car on a float to go to the drag racing nationals .there was fuel in the car's gas tank ..............another thing i'd check is to make sure you are not classified commercial ....if you charge to get on the bus you automatically become a commercial charter and the rules change drastically .....each state is different as are the provinces in canada .best to check with the proper authorities before you leave ..can save a lot of headaches ........some cops will let stuff slide by but some can be stickers for detail .......i useed to haul in canada ...some of the stuff they stopped me for was a joke ..unfortunately the fines weren't

 

any veg oils obtained via mass means (and affordably), such as from restaurants or industrial suppliers, were actually extracted using hexane, a petroleum-derived solvent. Unless you're using pressed-extraction type oils, it's still supporting the fossil fuel industry... which we tend to enjoy daily without realizing it (ie, plastics).

it'd be cost-prohibitive to use pressed-oils as these are the types you see in health food stores selling for $9 an 8oz bottle. The reason why diesel engines use diesel is because it's actually cheaper--unless of course you can cop some free veggie oil.

 

since you put it that way ..tires are mostly petroleum based too ..the age of pure rubber latex for tires is looooooooooooong gone

 

fortuanatley veggie oil is not yet a registered source of fuel....
so none of the normal laws for transporting fuel apply

 

if you had the room you could carry a turkey fryer; might actually come in handy. that would complete legitimize your oil supply, the law doesn't need to know that your ride runs on it.

 

actually sence it is a waste product and would be discarded anyways....usually waste veggie is not supporting the petroleum industry any more then picking up an aluminum beer can for recycling is supporting the beer industry....

 

well in california waste veggie can only be collected legally by a lic. waste handler and only treated at a permitted rendering facility.... so if you were pulled over by the hwy patrol and had the waste oil on the roof of the bus in drums that might cause some issues.....

 

They don't discard it. A tanker comes by and picks it up, then the oil is filtered, cleaned and recycled. After that it gets used on some tasty french-friends again or maybe something else entirely, but it's never thrown away, it's oil.

either way, large quantities of veggie oil that is considered 'waste' was at one point created using hexane. This stuff is easily obtainable, or really cheap since there are no huge tariffs placed on it like regular automotive fuel for the time being - so why not used it. Unfortunatly we are stuck depending on hydrocarbons for a while, at least in the quantities the world consumes and depends on petro and petro-based products.

 

i'm fairly certain you can obtain industrial grade corn oil for ~ $1 a gallon, at bulk rates (possibly several metric tonnes). It could be more for lesser quantities such as 110 gal. Riding around with drums on the top of your ride would attract even more attn than the bus & passengers itself. Consider a couple of 'pod'-type tanks, with an outer protective shell. You could always use them for storage at a more permanent destination.

 

actually i had worked in a small fast food shop and we thru away about 10-15 gallons of waste veggie oil a week right into the dumpster after cleaning the fryers....they had been doing that for years...over a decade or more ....so yes it is thrown away.

finally they had a company come and collect it...and it is not used in food again or recycled but used to make lipstick, cosmetics and soap.....

and i am not against using waste veggie oil for fuel...in fact i have a biodiesel fueled tdi jetta wagon and a waste veggie oil fueld furnace....and i am currently experimenting in making biodiesel myself, i also collect about 10-15 gallons a week from the local shops...

you stated before using waste oil helps support petro and i disagree ....thats just not the case......eating the french fries that were cooked in the 'new' oil would be..thats the reason the oil was bought in the first place....

 

What your shop was doing is illegal. My brother is 30, and he himself worked at a mcd's during his teens (around the same time you would of been); and I just asked him if he remebers dumping the oil into a recepticle or a dumpster and he distinctly remembers dumping it into a filthy recepticle which was evacuated weekly by a tanker. I did some research and the practice actually started in the 70's after the oil crisis and we had to find ways to recycle products made using petro-based chemicals.

I'm not against using waste veg oil either, however, just because it went through an intermediary (the tasty french fries) doesn't make us or our vehicles any less dependant on some sort fossil fuel. You can't tell me that by purchasing a used vehicle that was originally produced in Germany or Japan isn't supporting forieign car manufacturers. The same applies to veggie oil, I know where it comes from -- and as a result I'm more interested in hydrogen powered cars than anything (still a decade or more away).

 

funny how american auto makers tell the people to buy american and they turn around and buy foreign

 

some pretty interesting reading....

Seems there are pros and cons for everything. When the time comes and people depend on biodisel as a norm, I can see where there will be big issues that will arise becasue of it. Especially the land.... that part rings a sound of truth if you really think about it.

LMFAO!!! So true... so true!
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