First of all, stop lying

StonerBill
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Allah can get what he wants without any ones help,
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Quraan: Verily, Allah is free of all wants from the Alameen (mankind, jinns, and all that exists).
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Quraan: If you disbelieve, then verily, Allah is not in need of you, He likes not disbelief for His slaves. And if you are grateful (by being believers), He is pleased therewith for you. No bearer of burdens shall bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return, so He will inform you what you used to do. Verily, He is the All-Knower of that which is in (mens) breasts.
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Yeah, many people don't know, don't understand God, his wisdom, purpose of life, etc. I am so sorry for this my Lord.
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Peace and love
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Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens
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Dear catstevens, greetings and thank you very much for responding.

First of all, it is better if you dear friend are aware that I am an apostate of islam. I was born in a muslim household and raised as one. As my critical thinking developed with time, I realised that islam was a manmade religion. I gave up on islam decades back.

The reasons for my such conclusion, one can find in my articles.

In short the quran does not put forward any evidence for proving islam the true religion. In fact if you read the quran, it is full of statements which are mere claims.

The quran is flawed as a proof of islamic truth as well as it lacks a lot of information that is necessary for human guidance. It contradicts itself as well as self evident facts.

The very fact that muslims have been trying to explain the so called the clear quran is a proof that quran lacks clarity or why anyone would waste so much tiume in trying to explain what is obviously clear? The quran is explained by the prophet in form of ahadith and the hadith are explained in form of fiqh and tafseer. Yet the quran remains confusing and unexplained because no muslim is there in whole wide world who could claim he knows the quran perfectly. This is why no translation of the quran has been accepted perfect so far nor any tafseer by anyone. A book that is sent for mankind to follow is not even understood properly so far then when will anyone follow it perfectly and so prove that this book is perfect?

The very fact that prophet and his followers saw the need for explaining it lends a strong proof that the quran is a human work. Or how can one explain the imperfection proceeding from the all perfect being? All perfect is not all perfect if we can prove that he produced something that is not perfect in every way. A book that is like a dog's breakfast can in no way be from the almighty.

People who are making fool of others that the quran contains scientific facts discovered recenty know what they are upto and why. Because others are catching up with them. It does take time between somebody raising a false claim and someone finding out and refuting it.

regards and all the best.

 

Mughal​

Well, I see many of irrelevant things in your post, so I will comment on some of what you wrote. ​

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You are more than welcome =)​

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Quraan: And they say: "O you (Muhammad) to whom the Dhikr (the Quraan) has been sent down! Verily, you are a mad man.​

Quraan:And (they) said: "Are we going to abandon our aliha (gods) for the sake of a mad poet?​

Quraan:Then they had turned away from him (Messenger Muhammad) and said: "One (Muhammad) taught (by a human being), a madman!"​

Quraan: Therefore, remind and preach (mankind, O Muhammad of Islamic Monotheism). By the Grace of Allah, you are neither a soothsayer, nor a madman.​

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Read it again, maybe you read other book.​

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this emphasizes ignorance, I understand what do you mean by this very very well, I know what you are talking about, well, myself millions thanks to Allah studied what you are talking about in Islamic classes for months, so if you can study (I can lead you to many free Islamic colleges and classes if you want) or read more.​

By the way: what's your religion/belief.​

My deepest sincere best wishes​

Peace and love ​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

Note: Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!​

 

Dear catstevens, thank you for reply but the statements of the quran are not the proof on their own. The quran makes thousands of statements but that does not mean what is stated in the quran is actually true. That will be true only if there is related objective evidence that supports such quranic statements.





For example, the quran claims, there is such a thing as ASH SHAITAAN=the devil ie IBLEESS. What is the proof that the devil really exists? None other than one taking the words of the quran itself for it. The case is same for Allah ie there is no independent evidence that Allah really does exists. These are just quranic make beliefs and nothing more. In fact the quran claims about existence of various things and people, their beliefs and deeds as well as various other events etc etc., yet there is no independent proof for that which could prove any of such claims true. It tells us about Adam, noah, etc etc. It tells us about angels and djinns, paradise and hell etc etc. There is no muslim on the face of the earth who could prove all statements of the quran true. Since a chain is as strong as its weakest link, so the quran is as much of a proof on its own as any of its unsubstantiated statements.

Well, if what I am saying about the quran and islam is true then I most certainly have read the quran and know islam.

Demanding appropriate proofs for determining the truth about claims through examining them is not ignorance dear friend rather not doing so is.

Dear friend, I do not follow any allegedly divine religion, how about you? Do you belong to a sunni, shia, the ahmedi or the quran only faction?

Many thanks brother catstevens regards and all the best.

 

Mughal​

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You are more than welcome =)​

BTW: You quoted a verse which I posted it in my reply; I didn't quote it as a proof if you thought that, I was just posting the verses which are appropriate to your comments. Plus, you are taking off the topic. The topic isn't about Quraan.​

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As I said this before to one of the members here, you can know by two ways:​

1) If you believed in Quraan as the word of God, then you should believe in it, because Allah stated that there is a devil. ​

2) There are other ways, but they are dangerous, those who make black magic can show you, because they are working with them (devils). ''this is real''​

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!!! That means you didn't read Quraan? Maybe I should write another thread about this.​

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First of all, if you are atheist, then, ​

Dear: let me tell you something​

All these things I think it will be useless to discuss it as long as you are Atheist or Agnostic. Myself I think that if somebody believed that the current entire Bible or Quraan is Allah's word then he has to follow its teachings and believe in its verses and discuss it, but actually he doesn't believe in(God) so then it is a wasting for time. Yes,what is the benefit in arguing his commands, verses, what he stated and you actually don't believe in him as a God or don't believe that God is existed!!!!? How can you do this when you actually don't believe in his existence? ​

Myself, I think you have to believe in God's existence in the first place, and when you believe in his existence, then look for the true God (you know there are Allah, Jesus, etc) and to believe in one of them you must have evidences or something which makes you believe that he is the true God and after that, after finding the true God, you will know if he revealed a scripture or he didn't, you have to search for his (God's) religion. i.e. firstly1)is there a creator (i.e. God)? And if we believed that there is a creator then we have to move to è2)who's the true God (creator) and after we knew who is the true God with proofs and evidences then we can answerè3)what is the true religion of God (the creator)? Does he order to believe in a religion or just to have fun in life, and in this case we can discuss issues about him and his verses and so on…​

i.e.​

Allah gave proofs not only one that Quraan is his word, and Muhammad is his messenger, and that he is existed, And when you accept these proofs this means that this Quraan is from Allah and when you believe in it as his word, you should then believe in every thing which is stated it in it, because Allah stated that he is the All-knowing and he says the truth and you then have to believe in everything that he talked about, And as Muslims when we are sure that Quraan is his word because he proved that then we don't argue any of his commands, verses, etc because we trust in God and we know that he is saying the truth.​

To me not true, and you have to study or read more then you will understand.

You lost me probably, when I said:this emphasizes ignorance, I understand what do you mean by this very very well, I know what you are talking about, well, myself millions thanks to Allah studied what you are talking about in Islamic classes for months, so if you can study (I can lead you to many free Islamic colleges and classes if you want) or read more.

It was a comment on: The quran is explained by the prophet in form of ahadith and the hadith are explained in form of fiqh and tafseer. Yet the quran remains confusing and unexplained because no muslim is there in whole wide world who could claim he knows the quran perfectly. This is why no translation of the quran has been accepted perfect so far nor any tafseer by anyone. A book that is sent for mankind to follow is not even understood properly so far then when will anyone follow it perfectly and so prove that this book is perfect?.......... ​

The above emphasizes your ignorance or misunderstanding or your few information and that you are not informed enough about Quraan, ahadeeths, Tafseer, there is something called: Olom Al-Quraan, i.e. the science (the awareness or the knowledge of Quraan) you need to study this to understand it, it is very interesting, I studied that, but few parts of it.​

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Sunni consider me Shia, and Shia consider me Sunni, I Think I am in the middle, who supports his claims with a Sahih haddeeth and a Quraanic verse I follow it i.e. briefly, there is two major groups (sects) of Islam (Ahlusunnah=Sunni and Shi'a) Sunni have 4 major schools, however, these two major groups all believe in Quraan as the word of Allah, Muhammad (pbuh) is his last messenger, and in the five main pillars of Islam etc, the differences as I see is mostly related to the fiqh issues (i.e. Islamic jurisprudence- juristic reasoning-legal differences) which by fiqh we Muslims extract religious rulings on practical matters from the two main sources Quraan and Sunnahè(what the Prophet Muhammad said, did, or approved of) to know Sunnah we refer to the companions of the prophet and the descendants of the prophet (their narrations etc).​

Shia based and depend on the descendants [99%] of the forth caliph, Ali ibin Abeetalib the cousin of the prophet who was the husband of the prophet's daughter, Sunni follow the companions of the prophet…etc so, concerning these differences I follow who supports his claims with a Sahih haddeeth and a Quraanic verse.​

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You are more than welcome =) my pleasure, same to you brother =)​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

Note: Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!​

 

Mughal​

BTW: Can you read, speak and write in Arabic?​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens
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Note: Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!​