anyone soulutons for a soil problem

so i fully understand germination, but when the seeds are ready to plant(which i will be doing in the ground) what soil would be reccomended. now im also looking for a soil that i will not be needing to add any extra nutrients to(if thats an option), but already has everything it needs. what would you reccomend?

 

There are potting soils that come with time-release nutrients/fertilizer.
But you don't want those.
Why?
Because mj needs different levels of nutrients at different times.
Lots of N (nitrogen) and not too much P (phosphorus) during vegatative growth, but lots of P and almost no N after the first 3 weeks of flowering.
Plus, the time release nute's are chem.

A better option:
Get Fox Farms Ocean and Forest potting soil. That is chock full of organic nutrients, and that can carry you through the first 2 months (although I'd start adding light doses of nute's after 40 days or so).
If you can't get Fox Farms, most nurseries carry potting soil that has organic amendments such as bat/seabird guano, worm castings and seaweed/kelp.

 

well if i get these soils am i still going to have add the extra phosphorous and nitrogen when the excess is needed?

 

dont worry,it's all good man!
just half regular potting soil and half perlite.
miracle grow for starter plants will work fine!

 

Yes you will need to add nutrients.
Chicken shit tea is an excellent veg nutrients, and high-P bat/seabird guano is the best flowering nutrient.




1/2 perlite and 1/2 potting soil is WAY TOO MUCH perlite.
Miracle grow products are CRAP.
All of them.

 

agreed

 

Miracle grow soil works fine.You may prefer Organic soil for whatever reason but MJ plants will grow in Miracle grow soil just as well as any other. A lot of talk about tast not being as good is Hippie Hogwash.

 

Got my bad head on today no offense meant to hippies but sometimes you do talk nonsense to be cool.

 

Buffoonman, I bet I've grown way more plants in way more conditions that you.
I never said you can't grow pot with miracle grow products.
Indeed, I used them before I found a much better way.
miracle grow vs. organic growing is like the difference between AM/PM hot dogs and a well-balanced meal.
Yeah, AM/PM dogs will fill you up, but they won't provide adequate nutrition.

miracle grow potting soil can and will kill seedlings.
mirfacle grow is missing nutrients key to good growth.

There's another reason why organic nuitrients are better, esp. outdoors.
And that's run-off.
Chem. nutrients are usually WAY stronger than they need to be, and that excess gets into the water table and poisons streams, lakes, etc. They take a long time to break down when compared to organics.
-It's easy to harm/kill plants with chem. nute's. Organics is much more forgiving.
-I can instantly tell the difference between chemically and organically grow mj, sometimes before even smoking it. If someone sparks a j and it spits and crackles, I know it was grown with chem's.

But don't take my word for it buffoonman. Grow some with miracle grow products, and grow some in organically amended soil with organic nutrients and you'll discover why I recommend organics.

NOTE: The above is for soil grows. In my indoor hydro set-up, I often use chem's, but NOT miracle grow.

 

Your jumping the gun rangerdanger I never mentioned you,and the my dads bigger than your dad antics are silly. Appolligies if I offended you that wasn't my intention. Ive succesfully grown plants in miracle grow soil so am confused by you saying it can and will kill seedlings. What do you think is missing nutrient wise? Please keep it positive as I may joke now and them but never mean to offend. Nobody me nor yourself should ever become that set in out ways to assume we know everthing.I am always keen to learn better ways of doing things. But obviously facts are whats needed not preferences based on a lifestyle.
As for the tasting better having not done extensive taste tests with the same strain of weed grown under different conditions I couldn't really comment.
Sorry to go on but as regards miracle grow soil are you saying it has to much fertaliser in it to start which can damage young plants or are you saying it is missing some micro nutrients.

 

A carbon based fert or carbon based soil amendments will produce a much better end product in pure smokability(re: taste,smoothness,and ending with white ash not black or grey like chem ),but generally no difference in potency.Mother nature has been doing it for thousands of years without the assistance of the petro-chemical world that is rapidly becoming the downfall of man kind and its greed..

 

Will flushing during the last week of flowering help taste.
Next grow will swap to organic soil, one thing I have discovered is with pre chemically fertilised soil you have no control. My plants are growing fine now but I would like to be in charge of exactly whats in the soil. In the past I have used home made hydroponic systems hence controlled all nutes. Since moving this is my first grow in a new room from seeds probably been a bit lazy with the setup but its more geared towards ironing out floors and finding that super mother.
Saying that plants are growing nicely very short internodes. Strain is ICE looks as though its going to be the one I've been looking for all this time.

 

Reuse soil unless soil bourne pests are present.A bail of compressed spagnum peat with added bloodmeal,bonemeal,kelpmeal,dolomite lime, worm casts,and epsom salts.A quality soil tester like LaMottes is needed to re-amend.When re-amending soil use original recipe of epsom salts and adjust for amounts of alfalfa meal,softrock phosphate,and kelp meal once test of NPK is done to establish levels ...Per 3.8 cubic ft bail add 8 cups bonemeal,4 cups bloodmeal,1.5 cups epsom salt,4 cups dolomite lime,4 cups kelpmeal and 20lbs worm casts.If no perelite is present in compressed bail it must be added.Mix moisten and let sit 2+ plus weeks.

 

I'd recommend NOT using blood, bones, or fish emulsion on outdoor plants.

Forest critters such as coyote's and raccoons will smell it and dig up your plants looking for the source.
Outside, High-N bat/bird shit tea is an excellent source of N, and animals won't dig it up.
You can use organics such as bat/bird shit, kelp, seaweed, worm casting tea to supply all the nutrition your plants need.

Flushing during the last 2 weeks before harvest will remove lots of the chem taste but not all of it.

 

That would only pertain to specific locations,all has bearing on where ya are growing outdoors.Most peoples backyards dont run into that problem with wildlife.Think outside the box ranger.

 

Sounds a lot of work mixing the soil can you buy a good organic soil ready mixed. Plus is the outcome worth the extra effort.

 

Nearest thing to Racoons and Coyotes in the UK is my cat. Saying that though it does like to eat the leafs of my plants it then proceeds to roll about on the floor making strange noises.

 

Lots of people own dogs that have access to back yards.
Dogs have been known to dig up bones.
Think outside your own box.

 

Once again not all people are subject to those problems.Is it that hard to understand.You just hate it when ya get contridicted .To say there is a threat like that everywhere outdoors is shallow thinking.Anyone stupid enough to allow their dog the time neccesary to do any damage deserves it.

If you want 4-6 times the soil for the money then ya make your own which does better then any premixed out there including fox farms ocean forest that begins showing deficiencies at 4 weeks.Make your own and you need only water the duration thru both veg and flower.

 

-How long does it take a dog to dig up a bone (or a plant looking for a bone)?

A minute? Two?
I have a friend who planted pot inhis backyard and I warned him about using bloody bones.
"Shit my dog's never dug a hole in his life."
3 days later, after his dog dug up 2 of his plants, he had to fence off his pot patch, which had the effect of making it more noticeable.

-I'd be willing to give you 10 to 1 odds that pot can be grown better when fertilized during veg and flower than planting in amended soil and having nothing but water throughout it's life.
Why?
Because I've done both. Once side-by-side.
It's extrodaneraly(sp) difficult to get the exact mixture of amendments in your soil that will give the plant exactly what it needs during the different stages of it's life. That's one reason way potting soil that had been pre-amended with chemicals (like miracle grow) is so bad. Because you can't control what the plant is getting. The amt of P the plant requires during flower can retard the growth of seedlings. So can too much N.
And too much N during flowering can interfere with P uptake. It can also increase the time it takes to complete flowering.

Yeah I realize it does bother me when people dispute my advice. That's because I know my craft. 80% of the advice I give is based on my real-life experiences. Another 15% comes from trusted friends and from what I've read by people like Ed Rosenthal.
Only about 5% is conjecture (adding 2 + 2).