The London(Night)Mayor:KenLivingstone:

Having been suspended from office for one month for suspected Nazi War Crimes p ).
Will Mayor of London Red Ken be able to bounce back?.
I have voted for him,twice, as London Mayor.Was I wrong???.I agree with the Congestion Charge that he introduced but now he's finished off the London Red Routemaster Buses , made all the Conductors redundant;& he said he would fight to retain the Routemaster Buses.
The 'Bendy Bus' is a joke because people hop on & hop off without paying.The 'Oyster' card system on the trains is annoying.



-Sadly ,no one saw fit to give up their seat for this old aged pensioner.

 

I recaon he's a goody, one of the few principalled lefties, with any power in the country. Have you read what he got bollocked for? just banter. Elected mayor was suspended by a pannel of 3 unelected guardians of moral values.

 

hahahahaha

yes giving the red carpet treatment to Dr Yusuf al-Qaradawi a man who wants to kill apostates and homosexuals and believes in female genital mutilation shows what a great guy he is

going on a march against the cartoons of mohammed, having a gigantic pr exhibition in london to whitewash islam ,,,,yep top bloke

 

does every post you write always include an anti-muslim expression? it seems that way to me, try exploring others obsession for a while. i am not going to get into a debate over your anti-faith views because i believe in free speech, just stop picking on one particular group all in the time in all your posts.
peacex

 

Well if you’re discussing whether the lord mayor is a man of principles or an unprincipled rat who would sell his mother for a vote, maybe whether he’s pals with a man who is one of the top Islamists on earth, a famous homophobe and reactionary have some bearing.

At the present time you’ve had more than a thousand people killed and wounded over the cartoons of Mohammed, and ken Livingston is on the side of the people who want to curb free speech, not on the side of the victims the people driven into hiding.

He attended the march against the cartoons I would say that’s because he wants the Islamic vote.

You had suicide bombings last year in London which killed 56 people and his response is to have the biggest exhibition in Europe to promote Islam.

I wonder if he had been mayor during the blitz whether he would have had a exhibition to promote the joys of Nazism, or whether he will have a exhibition that shows the negative side of Islam to be fair.

I’m not sure whose paying for this coming exhibition whether it’s the tax payer or Saudi oil money neither of which options would make me very happy.

I don’t think you can be a friend with people who want to kill or discriminate against homosexuals or women or apostates, and be a friend to homosexuals women and apostates .

I don’t think you can be a friend of people who don’t want to see cartoonists in hiding or dead or in jail, and, a friend of people who want to see cartoonists in hiding dead or in jail .


Brothwood not all my posts in uk are about Islam and if they were it doesn’t matter and is not your affair , my post in this thread is on topic in that I am discussing ken Livingston as mayor.

Whether I am obsessed with Islam or not doesn’t matter regarding whether ken Livingston is a good mayor or not, it’s a ad hominem which attacks the debater not his or her arguments this is a debating fallacy

 

Ken Livingston might cooperate with people who's views are different to his, in order to achieve common goals. Many people of different faiths and politics marched against the war. We don't all have to agree on everything.
I used to get into arguements with racists at work, which was a pain in the ass. Now i just state my opinion and leave it.
I realised that freedom of speach is about respecting others right to hold an opinion even when it is really offensive to me. Often you can find some common ground with people who hold very different views. Then you might even be able to argue with them and influence them.

 

does ken livingston have as a common goal the islamization of europe, the death of apostates and homosexuals, if he doesnt why is he friends with a guy who says in speeches that islam is going to conquer europe and who wants to kill homosexuals.

really and I asked this in the other thread if hes going to be pals with this sort of person why isnt he friends with the bnp apart from the fact that they are racists, Im sure there are some things by your reasoning that they believe that could be common ground with ken livingston , the bnp were I think against the iraq war .

I think you have zero chance of ken livingston or unite against fascism et al , influencing people al-Qaradawi or dr siddequi and to think you do just shows how little you understand people with real religous conviction .

 

isn't he the guy that put congestion charge in london eventhough people who voted against it out numbered the people who wanted it?

 

no i dont dig it.

apart from the fact that ken livingston likes his nazis with brown skins as he sees it .

I cant see why he doesnt join with the bnp who as I say opposed the war ,if he is happy to join with people who want to kill homosexuals and apostates and ban cartoons

I think hes a fake

 

well look at it this way the bnp have some nasty views, but are they any worse than Islamic views if say your a homosexual, or a apostate or someone who wants to be critical of Islam and Mohammed .

which is more dangerous the bnp or Islam in the uk, I would say by far Islam , there are no white power states in the world today, no Nazi Germany while on the other hand you have a number of states that base themselves on a Islamic theocracy .

I think you have more people in the uk who believe in sheria then in some sort of white power politics, more people are being killed by jihadis than by neo Nazis in the uk

If you have people in groups like unite against fascism that organised the driving into hiding of British authors, to me that makes me think that the whole organisation is just fake with a racist agenda.

I think Livingston is a racist in that he is happy to ally himself with Nazis or totalitarians if they have brown skin or come from what he may consider a non white or western religion.

you can have too forms of racism you have the sort where you discriminate against someone on skin colour, you have another sort which is just as bad where you discriminate in favour of a certain race .

If doctor siddequi was white and had organised the running into hiding of a famous British author, collected money for terrorists to kill female students would he be welcome in unite against fascism.

If Dr Yusuf al-Qaradawi was white and advocated killing homosexuals and said that his totalitarian political religion was going conquer Europe , and that people who wanted to leave say Protestantism should be killed would Livingston embrace him

if not Livingston is a racist which is what I think he is

As ive asked you the bnp didn’t support the war so why didn’t the left embrace them if they are happy to embrace fundamentalist Muslims who have just as or a worse totalitarian agenda .

Im not suggesting that they should embrace them but there is a double standards …….why did Livingston attend a march against cartoons

By your reasoning the left could have joined with the bnp put to one side the fact that they are Nazis to help stop the war .

I mean they wouldn’t need to believe in deporting people themselves, just as they have put to one side that the people that they embrace now want to kill homosexuals and apostates and ban cartoons .

Do you feel that homophobia killing homosexuals and killing people who want to leave a religion is more acceptable than racism.

Do people being oppressed because of sexual orientation or not believing in god not count as much as people being oppressed because of race .

Because that seems to be the message Livingston et all are giving out

 

Most of the offensive views expounded by right wing islamists could just as easily come from right wing chritians, they come from basically the same raw material. I was brought up catholic, it's part of my culture, this doesn't mean that i agree with the views of the pope, or any screwball evangelical tv preacher. In the same way my muslim friends and neighbours all have different views, they are individuals. There are many differnt traditions in islam. Not all muslims are represented by the radicals who get so much attention.

"I think you have more people in the uk who believe in sheria then in some sort of white power politics, more people are being killed by jihadis than by neo Nazis in the uk"

According to the 2001 census pakistanis and bangladeshis together make up 2% of the population. In england and wales there are 3% muslims. So where are these armies of jihadis? In the telegraph? Do you seriously think 3% muslim population will impose sharia?
When you mix with lots of tollerant easy going people, it's easy to imagine that, facsism is part of the lunatic fringe of politics. I work on a building site and often hear people advocating repatriation or extermination of ethnic minorities. Right wing politics is a real danger in the UK. In northern post industrial towns there is terrible racial tension.
The working class is at war with itself. White and black neighbours in very similar situations, hate eachother. Rather than uniting to further their common interests, they labour under the illusion that they are very different types of people.
The recent axe murder of anthony walker in the huyton area of liverpool, illustrates this. Police say the frequency of racially motivated assaults in the area has risen by 72% (2001-2004) there have been 22 murders officially classed as racially motivated 2001-2004 in that england and wales. (www.blackbritain.co.uk/news/details.aspx?i=1642&c=uk&h=Axe+murder+highlights+racial+tensions
So these figures relate to only 3 years. We've had black and asian comunities in this country at least since the late 50s. I couldn't find figures for the whole period, but i think it's clear that more people have died from racially motivated violence than from islamist terrorist attacks. Do you accept that?
I am horrified by the july 7th attacks, was it 35-40 killed? Very awful, seriously, i worried for my friends and family down there. As noam chomsky said in his address to the Amnesty convention 2006, if we want to stop terrorism the best way is to stop our government participating in it.
No one's keeping accurate records but a study by lancet estimated the death toll in iraq at 100,000, "most of the individuals killed by coalition forces were women and children" (http://www.bluejayway.net/pdf/lancet_10-29-04_article_on_IRAQ_casualties.pdf)
That was in may 2004.
Estimates of the death toll from air raids bombing in afghanistan alone, range from 1000 to 10000.
(http://www.comw.org/pda/0201oef.html#appendix1)

"If you have people in groups like unite against fascism that organised the driving into hiding of British authors, to me that makes me think that the whole organisation is just fake with a racist agenda."

Yes it's dodgy, but i'm happy to associate with anyone who hates the nazis, in order to oppose them. I'm not a representative or member of this or any political group.

"As ive asked you the bnp didn’t support the war so why didn’t the left embrace them if they are happy to embrace fundamentalist Muslims who have just as or a worse totalitarian agenda "

Ask the left, whoever they are. Personally i hope bnp do join the antiwar movement, perhaps they might meet someone who'd talk some sense into them. As many as possible should oppose the war.

"why did Livingston attend a march against cartoons"

How should i know? The cartoons were designed to cause offence, and did. I think the response was over the top though. Maybe he was trying to show solidarity with muslims at a time when they are being so vilified.

"Do you feel that homophobia killing homosexuals and killing people who want to leave a religion is more acceptable than racism."

No I don't

"Do people being oppressed because of sexual orientation or not believing in god not count as much as people being oppressed because of race"

No i am opposed to all forms of oppression.
The intentions of those behind the atrocities of "9,11" and july 7th was clearly to increase racial tension, polarise public opinion, radicalise muslims, and increase alienation. Sadly it seems to be working.
It seems like a mcarthyish witch hunt against muslims. They raided many many take aways in manchester, no kidding, forensic stuff, mobile police stations etc. Found nothing. You read "100s arrested for terroris offences" but you don't hear that they were all released due to lack of evidence. Check out that "sarin plot" in london, not a shred of evidence was found, no sarin nothing. They couldn't make it stick, now the defendant is being deported to probably be killed by his govt, was it syria he came from? I dunno.
Crikey, am i getting off the topic or what? sorry to go on like that
peace x