Hospitals: They kill.

you don't know what your talking about

 

LoL

I will be continuing to search for more evidence on the gall stone flush. Certainly the word of people who promote them will not be enough!

www.curezone.com is the first site I encountered with the flush. They have M.D.'s there in the forums who perhaps can answer some questions. Right now I am way tuned in to the Dr. Jubb and Annie Jub 14 day nutritional fasting program and am on day 6! I actually passed more stone like things today. A few were reddish and the rest were green then last nights raw soup dinner(the first thick food I ate besides electrolyte lemonade and teas) came out.

 

herbuh, i know a couple of pple irl who swear by the gallstone flush. i havent done it myself, but was thinking about giving it a whirl sometime. i dont see how it could hurt anything, and spring seems to be an appropriate time for cleansing.

 

yea
I will recomend the 14 day nutritional fast
it is outlined along with amazing recipes and some knowledge in this book by Dr. Jubb and Annie Jubb in life Food Recipe Book : Living on Life Force
Although I also suceeded on the flush you can read about on www.curezone.com

The best thing to do though right now is to check out this audio file!
http://www.patricktimpone.com/main/audio/annie_jubb_gallbladder.mp3

 

http://www.alive.com/2763a9a2.php
exerpt is from a popular canadian health mag

more from the same article:

 

this is blowing my mind Herbah!!
I can't believe this I must do this right away !!
Thats what it's going to take, for people to STOP listening to what they've been told by commercials and START listening to what their inner urgings are saying...
To be clean and healthy and radiant...WE have these urgings because we are illuminescent beings of light or in other words built of pre sub-atomic level fractual geometric building blocks of pure energy...the all pervasive ether! the tree of life. the cube of space, or in other words, beauty emmerges in pure chaos, and so interpretation of this directly is what defines exsistance. Oysters clean their environment. normally there are 5 ridges on an oyster, and 2 shells. Sacred anceint number sequence. Humans are not so different, 5 digits, 2 hands 2 feet repeating sequences...we should also be cleaning the earth, taking care of it, nourishing it properly.
Instead we irradicate life in so many ways it is genocidal on so many differetnt levels it's utter insanity. There is a plague upon this earth, and the plot is slowly thickening. You know what they say if you dln't stir up the soup the scum develops at the top.

 

I have watched how nursing homes kill people. The whole idea kills the spirit, than the body. Sure there are people who probably don't mind the nursing home, and there are probably good nursing homes. My family who went in though, all started to wish they'd die. Everytime we'd see my great grandmother she would be asking "why doesn't god take me yet?" I think to understand that statement you'd need to understand my great grandmother. A women who raised 7 kids on her own, married several times because she wasn't staying with a man who "wasn't worth a shit" and supported herself by selling alcohol in prohibition. She chewed tabacco and ran a farm. She did that up to her 90's, when she fell and broke her hip and suddenly no one would take care of her. She declined RAPIDLY. By the time she go to the hospital there was nothign they could do for her pnuemonia. The doctor said he'd never ever seen a woman as strong as she was, and if she'd just got there earlier.. but no.. she had no cold because everytime we'd ask the nursing home when she got the cold they were sure she never had a cold. I do respect the doctor who was with her when she died though, so I can't complain about the hospital. He did the best he could in a bad situation, and stayed to talk to my family for an hour afterwards, just asking about her life and saying he would have liked to have known her. Yeah, he didn't save her but he sure cared.

My grandfather went into a nursing home with advanced prostate cancer and I don't know how I feel about that. My uncle wanted to care for him, my dad didn't want to deal at the time. So it was like no one wanted him, so I think that hurt his spirits and his willingness to fight. His wife died at home 10 years prior, and I think that is what he wanted.

I don't have any bad stories about hospitals. I think they do what they can for emergency cases, and I definately am glad they are there. That said I would avoid going to a hospital as long as I could and only after every herb/alternative therapy was tried. I also do not think hospitals are where babies should be born, but I can respect that some women feel "safer" in a hospital, regardless of it's truth.

 

Why wouldn't anyone take care of her when she broke her hip???!? my god that is the saddest yet most utterly beautiful and beneficiary post, thank you for sharing.

Yes and you are right, it is really good that the hospitals are there, just the system is fucked up and meant to break the spirit of people so they will happily digest what the monopoliscitc pharmaceudical companies and their subsidieres, or drug pushers (doctors/commercials, ect), push on them. For money money money, just ask the abba.

 

see people will inevitably realize the food eaten causes the types of behaviors that emergency care can only save
This one realizes that the food eaten comes from an energy unspeakable. To truly acknowledge this source is not possible for your average to extraordinary person. This becomes the cellular makeup of the individual! The vibrations will not be transmuted to happiness and peace and love without super spiritual powers.

 

thus why our native americcan brothers and sisters always said a prayer, or in other words sent positive revering love toward the object of their attention, and then killing/picking it. this drastically alters the chemical content of the food thereafter for the better, and without makes the food poisen.

 

Think that generation is any healthier than kids today LOL. Me thinks the healthiest generation belonged to you and me Seriously, all my siblings are lean, but our kids are fat .

 

the great pyramid at gizah =52 degrees

 

No, they should be about the same, I think, with GOOD parenting, kids today, and young adults today ARE healthier than people of my parent's generation. As I work IN Health Care, I see the gigantic amounts of shitty health in older people, who refuse to take any repsonsibility for thier health, then want to go on Social Security and have US pay for the damage they did to their bodies, with years of crappy food, smoking, ect. (OK, that's for an other thread.)

Many more people today pay attention to their diet, more children are breastfed for a significant period of time, started solid food later, (both obesity preventers) there is better access to organic food, people (those who make an effort, anyway) have better access to KNOWLEGE about their bodies and how to treat them. My InLaws and my mother don't even know the NAMES of all the pills they are taking. Nor do they care what crap they put into their bodies. Intelligent people from my generation and a generation younger, (our kids) are more likely to pay attention to their health, from the beginning. My kids are very aware of good eating and healthy living.

Of course, their are people who eat crappy right now. But, if they are educated, CARE about themselves, refuse things like cigarrettes and massive quantities of alcohol, and junk food, and pay attention to what they are putting in their bodies (something which thoes born in the 20s through the 40s usually didn't do) they will be healthier.

WHY are your kids fat? (I really hope you're kidding.) If you are healthy, and eat healthy, why are your kids gettiing crappy food and getting fat? I don't get it.

We have access to good food, information about good food and exercise, and plenty of reasons, which are well known, to keep ourselves and our children healthy. Unless there are really uncontrolable "hormonal" reasons for obesity, most of it can and should be avoided or resolved with good healthy living. Especially in children.

 

Um. I don't know of anyone who goes into a nursing home and comes out better off. This is the PURPOSE of Nursing Homes. Nursing homes are where we put our Old People TO DIE. It is the purpose of them. Do you expect people to get, what, younger, there? People are put into nursing homes when their health has gotten to the point where their famiilies can't take care of them anymore. With "Geriatrics" being a multibillion dollar health care system, people who used to just die of "old age' with dignity, are now, at a HUGE cost to the rest of us, being kept alive for years after they have stopped enjoying life. WHY?

Huh? Saying words over food alters the chemical content of that food? Do you have a reference (a real one, like, with SCIENCE) on that? Which chemicals? How? I'd love to see a double blind study on this. Seeing as the "talking to plants" thing was a complete hoax, I just can't believe this at all.

 

This is a subject that has been bothering me for, oh about, 7 months. I know two people where this was just not the case. The first, a woman I worked with, always had home birth. The last child had spina bifida and died. The baby possibly could have lived if it had been born in an hospital. She was totally guilt ridden, which I believe she didn't deserve to beat herself up that way.
The second, the one that scares me the most, was when my ex's step-mother gave birth in the hospital. I was there. She hemorraged, they barely saved her because she lost so much blood. It was good that birth was in the hospital. I'm not saying it's for everyone, but there can be advantages.

All I want is a promise to have 91 pushed into the phone during the birth, just
for reassurance sake.

 

Modern medicine has it's place, as has been said, that place is mainly in emergency situations. For the vast majority of our health concerns, we'd be a million times better off preventing it through good diet, exercise, and more positive, stress free lives, supplemented with herbal treatments. Prevention is far better than cure, especially when those cures are basically poisons with a few good side effects. Pharmeceuticals are not good for you.

And yeah, the problem is healing is big business nowadays (though the only thing that heals you is you yourself). This means that low profit cures, treatments, and medicines are not wanted, they want the high profit ones. The rest are banned, or at least undermined constantly. The way they keep saying herbs and natural remedies don't work, even though modern medicines are the exact same things, though mainly synthetic (with all kinds of other shit in them). I agree that modern medicine and hospitals do tend to kill people. I can't think of a less inspiring, healthful environment than a sterile, flourencent-lit, windowless hospital, full of sickness, all the lines hard, square and agressive. There is no healing yin in there, no nature, no sunlight, no fresh air, no plants (token potted ones hardly count), rarely any loved ones around ("visiting hours"), terrible sounds (beeps, screams, crying, all cold and unnurturing). To top it off, their medical techniques are often almost as bad as the disease.

As far as offering up alternative cancer treatments, check into the multiple wave oscillator, it's interesting as hell and seems plausable to me. I did an experiment related to this, which you can read about here (http://hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119519). It's basically the same idea but much lower tech. Think about it, all matter is energy, condensed energy. Why shouldn't energy waves have an effect on us and our health?

 

believe what you want if you really are curious and not just feeling like an asshole then read peter tompkins "secret life of plants" it will answer all your questions seeing as how i'm uninspired to do so

 

Secret Life of Plants was an admitted fraud. NO ONE was able to replicate the results, including Peter Tompkins, when he was placed in a controlled enviroment. I'm not "Being an asshole" I'm being an informed consumer, with logic skills.

Plants don't "scream" when people cut them.

 

Tarabell, I have a lot of freinds who have had home births. MOST have gone well. But a few years ago, a freind lost a baby who could have totally been saved, IF she had gone to a hospital. Not even at first BEEN in one, but gone to one, when they lost the heartbeat. She went to one hospital, for an ultrasound, and they told her the baby was barely alive, but was still able to be saved, but ONLY if they did an immediate C section. She REFUSED, said nothing would make her have a "horrible C section" and her doctor and sister bundled her into the car to go to the home birth doctor's hosptial, (he didn't have "priveleges" at the local one, where that poor baby could have been saved) more than 45 minutes away. By the time they got to the second hospital, the baby was dead. So, she got the vaginal birth that was so important to her, only to a dead baby. It was just horrible, IMO.

I was, originally, told a different version of the story, but a freind of the sister told me the truth a while ago. This is just tragic. Although most womyn can probably give birth safely at home (I have about 100 freinds who did) there is that small percentage who are better off in a hospital. I was one of those moms, too. My first baby and I would probably be dead, or she would have had severe brain damage if I hadnt consented to a C section.

This womyn's poor baby can never be brought back, and from what I hear, she is now having fertility problems. What a tragedy.

 

My MIL (will be, in Aug) died in a hospital. I didn't blame the hospital. WHY? Because while she only went in due to severe chemo-related diarrhea, her immune system was already shot from the doses of chemo she had taken. When the antibiotic-resistant pneumonia got to her, she had no antibodies or immune system left to fight it.

This lady is the longest surviving patient diagnosed with ovarian cancer. She was first diagnosed 33 years ago.

She had done every treatment under the sun, naturopathic, homeopathic, chiropractic, miraculous healing, chemo, radiation, diet change, etc. And what kept her going for 33 years? The CHEMO.

We can't blame hospitals for the millions of deaths that occur every year. Blame the ones supplying myriad antibiotics to be OVERUSED, rendering them useless. Blame the ones COMMERCIALISING drug treatments for symptoms that could very well be treated by healthy lifestyles and diet patterns. Blame the ones LOBBYING our government to accept new and dangerous drugs onto the market without proper and long-term testing, while not allowing effective treatments onto the market because of the threat they cause if they work and work well.

This isn't a problem caused by doctors. This isn't a problem caused by nurses. This isn't a problem caused by any health care professional set out to do his/her job and do it properly. This is a mesh of problems concerning the drug companies AND the AMERICAN PUBLIC (Let's take responsibility for ourselves for once, shall we?).

First of all, you have major drug companies lobbying government and pushing through midnight bills making things easier for them to do what they do best: flood the market with quick fixes for symptoms that we have because we try too often to fit in to an unnaturally driven society. They market these unsafe drugs to a public that is keen on quick fixes and doing whatever it takes NOT TO HAVE TO THINK.

This brings me to my next point: THE AMERICAN PUBLIC (this may or may not include you).

The American Public thrives on convenience. We have drive-thrus, food delivery, preservatives, hormones to make food grow faster, PRE-PACKAGED meals so we don't have to think, junk food so we can fill ourselves up and forget about eating a real meal altogether. That's just food.

We're taught in school to be docile, accept everything thrown at us in the media as truth, to trust people with degrees purely because they have them, to not ask questions. We're also made to sit down and not fidget, not go to the bathroom when we need to, and not drink near enough liquids in a day.

So after we leave school, we're stuck in jobs that require us to work from 9-5, then bring work home with us to complete there, work weekends, nights, whatever. We're so mentally and physically exhausted from the stress of such a harrowing work schedule that we forget to take care of ourselves. We're complacent in terms of our health and nutrition ("If I had time to cook from scratch, I would, but I don't have the time..." or "I work so much, I'm too tired to exercise. And I hate taking the stairs to my floor that's only two stories up..."). We continue bad habits learned in school, like not drinking enough fluids, not actually trying to learn anything new about ourselves or our environment.

And then, when we get sick, we're pressured to take the quick fix so we can come right back into work, into the same stresses and situations that brought us to illness in the first place. We don't evaluate what long-term changes could make us healthier. We don't try to educate ourselves on our own health. We rely on doctors to do it for us. We get our medical information from billboards and commercials.

This is a nation of ignorance and complacency. We cannot blame those men and women that are trying to make a difference for our own mistakes. In the same way that we're complacent with our political system, we're also complacent with our health.

Stop this problem where it begins: IN THE BLAME.