Where did everything come from?What is the proof? Big Bang

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Which theories of god you read? , i.e. God told us how he created the universe, us, first atom or whatever, but the question is, to which god you listened? God of Bible, Quraan …etc, take for example, the God of Quraan (Allah), you know that people at Jesus' time, miracles were proof for them to the existence of God! But nowadays many people don't accept such proof? That's why Allah put so many different types of proofs, like miracles, prophecies, etc besides that he put proofs in the Quraan which even the Arab at the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) didn't understand it as we do today, but other type of proofs was enough to them so they accepted it, and Allah stated that someday the mankind will understand it, '' We will show them our signs in the universe, and in their ownselves, until it becomes manifest to them that this (the Quraan) is the truth. Is it not sufficient in regard to your Lord that He is a Witness over all things?''
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'' And this Quraan is not such as could ever be produced by other than Allah (Lord of the heavens and the earth)''
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The Quraan which was revealed 14 centuries ago, mentioned facts only recently discovered or proven by scientists, this proves without doubt that the Quraan must be the literal word of God, revealed by him to the prophet Muhammad,Allah has sent prophets to show people his religion and how to worship him, Every prophet had something special from God to be a proof that he is the messenger of God and that God is existed. And that special thing called '' Miracle'' Allah has supported his last prophet Muhammad with many miracles and many evidences which prove that he is a true prophet sent by God. The difference between miracles of the previous Messengers, which proved their veracity, and those of the messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, is that their previous miracles were effective during the lifetime of everyone of them, whereas the miracle of the Quraan remains effective, everlasting and unchallenged until the Day of Judgment. How does the miracle of the Quraan remain effective? Allah has supported his last revealed book, the Holy Quraan, with many miracles that prove that this Quraan is the literal word of God, revealed by him, and it was not authored by any human being, the Quraan which was revealed 14 centuries ago, mentioned facts only recently discovered or proven by scientists, this proves without doubt that the Quraan must be the literal word of God, revealed by him to the Prophet Muhammad, and that the Quraan was not authored by Muhammad who himself had never claimed that, or by any other human being. This is also proves that Muhammad is truly a prophet sent by God. It is beyond reason that anyone 14 hundred years ago would have known these facts discovered or proven only recently with advanced equipment and sophistical scientific methods, you can check them here and Watch scientists’ comments on the scientific miracles in the Quran. è Science confirms Quraan is from Allah and This is another website (link) after visiting the websites or before, I ask, How could Muhammad have possibly known all this 1400 years ago, when scientists have only recently discovered this using advanced equipment and powerful microscopes which did not exist at that time?
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Why did Allah choose Muhammad?
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Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) was raised illiterate, unable to read or write, and remained like that till his death. Among all his people, he was known as being truthful and trustworthy. Before receiving revelation, he had no prior knowledge of Religion or any previously sent Message. He remained like that till the Revelation came to him with the Quraan.
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Allah stated: '' Neither did you (O Muhammad) read any book before it (this Quraan), nor did you write any book (whatsoever) with your right hand. In that case, indeed the followers of falsehood might have doubted'' This is a proof that the Quraan is from God Because although the prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was illiterate in both (reading & writing), he brought the Quraan which is one his miracles,'' In that case, indeed the followers of falsehood might have doubted'' that if Muhammad (PBUH) was reading or writing then the disbelievers will be in doubt and they will say '' perhaps Muhammad learned that or read it in some where! But they didn't say that because they know that Muhammad was orphan (both father &mother), Poor and illiterate in both (reading & writing) and he was living between them. Consequently,how could Muhammad have possibly known all this 1400 years ago, Surely, Allah told him.
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Quraan: Nor does he (Muhammad) speak of (his own) desire, it is only a Revelation revealed. He has been taught (this Quraan) by one mighty in power…So Allah revealed to His slave (Muhammad) whatever He revealed…And that to your Lord (Allah) is the End (Return of everything)….(then he started to talk about the creation and that he created us and everything) etc very nice chapter
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Very good, may Allah bless you; Myself, I believe that we were created by a being which is not itself created, Eternal God, Al-mighty,who can produce objects from nothing,
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Quraan:… Allâh creates what He wills. When He has decreed something, He says to it only: "Be!" and it is.
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Quraan: Verily! Our Word unto a thing when We intend it, is only that We say unto it: "Be!" and it is.
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I continue in other post…
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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Hold on, Allah already gave his proofs, so give me your proofs which confute it, and because Allah's proofs are very logical and clear he Allah stated: There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path.
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The revelation of the Book (this Qur'ân) is from Allâh, the All-Mighty, the All-Wise. Verily, in the heavens and the earth are signs for the believers.
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And in your creation, and what He scattered (through the earth) of moving (living) creatures are signs for people who have Faith with certainty.
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And in the alternation of night and day, and the provision (rain) that Allâh sends down from the sky, and revives therewith the earth after its death, and in the turning about of the winds (i.e. sometimes towards the east or north, and sometimes towards the south or west etc.,), are signs for a people who understand. These are the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, revelations, etc.) of Allâh, which We recite to you (O Muhammad) with truth. Then in which speech after Allâh and His Ayât will they believe? Woe to every sinful liar, who hears the Verses of Allâh (being) recited to him, yet persists with pride as if he heard them not. So announce to him a painful torment! And when he learns something of Our Verses (this Qur'ân), he makes them a jest. For such there will be a humiliating torment. In front of them there is Hell, and that which they have earned will be of no profit to them, nor (will be of any profit to them) those whom they have taken as Auliyâ' (protectors, helpers, etc.) besides Allâh. And theirs will be a great torment.
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This (Qur'ân) is a guidance. And those who disbelieve in the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of their Lord, for them there is a painful torment of Rijz (a severe kind of punishment)... Say (O Muhammad) to the believers to forgive those who (harm themand) hope not for the Days of Allâh (i.e. His Recompense), that He may recompense people according to what they have earned (i.e. to punish these disbelievers, who harm the believers). Whosoever does a good deed, it is for his ownself, and whosoever does evil, it is against (his ownself). Then to your Lord you will be made to return…This (Qur'ân) is a clear insight and evidence for mankind, and a guidance and a mercy for people who have Faith with certainty. Or do those who earn evil deeds think that We shall hold them equal with those who believe (in the Oneness of Allâh Islâmic Monotheism) and do righteous good deeds, in their present life and after their death? Worst is the judgment that they make… And on the Day that the Hour will be established, on that Day the followers of falsehood (polytheists, disbelievers, worshippers of false deities, etc.) shall lose (everything)…This Day you shall be recompensed for what you used to do…Then, as for those who believed (in the Oneness of Allâh Islâmic Monotheism) and did righteous good deeds, their Lord will admit them to His Mercy. That will be the evident success. But as for those who disbelieved (it will be said to them): "Were not Our Verses recited to you? But you were proud, and you were a people who were Mujrimûn (polytheists, disbelievers, sinners, criminals etc)." ...And the evil of what they did will appear to them, and they will be completely encircled by that which they used to mock at! And it will be said: "This Day We will forget you as you forgot the Meeting of this Day of yours. And your abode is the Fire, and there is none to help you." This, because you took the revelations of Allâh (this Qur'ân) in mockery, and the life of the world deceived you. So this Day, they shall not be taken out from there (Hell), nor shall they be Yustâ'tabûn i.e. they shall not return to the worldly life, so that they repent to Allâh, and beg His Pardon for their sins​

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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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in one of his books, even Stephen Hawking (possibly the most intelligent person who has ever lived) says there's a split second before the big bang happened that science cannot account for. Big bang and creationism are not mutually exclusive ideas, many really intelligent people believe in both concepts (as well as evolution! *gasp*).

belief in God requires a leap of faith. Such a leap of faith trumps any logical argument against it for the person who has made that leap. The argument "because my Bible/Quran/Torah says so" is not made in good logic, and does not hold up to scrutiny. Books are written by people, whether they are divinely inspired or not, and people make mistakes. Human language is inadequate to decribe certain things not a part of our everyday mundane existence. Books must use our faulty language(s), which makes anything they claim questionable, at best.

 

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Science confirms Quraan is from Allah​

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If they were inspired by God then the book shouldn't include mistakes or false information otherwise it isn't from God, that because God is perfect and the All-knowing.​

[Quraan: 52:35-36] '' Were they created from nothing … Nay, but they have no firm belief.''​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

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Dear I don't want a proof for such thing I meant:
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Cat Stevens
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It's just a bad metaphor, comparing evolution to a tornado or an explosion making something really complex in one swoop. It's like when you say "men are dogs." Ok, men may share characteristics of dogs. The drooling, the scratching in public, whatever. If you say "men are women" it doesn't even make sense. Maybe "men are trees" is a better example because the two are completely unrelated.

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Where does Allah make a proof? I'm pretty sure it isn't possible to prove divine creation, because that proof is reliant on the truth of a book written by men. Sure, some stuff in there may be accurate, and the book may profess its own truth, but that still gives no objective evidence of a divine being involved.

I honestly haven't looked into many theories of god, because I don't see it as productive. I know christianity's only because I've gone to those churches, and am usually surrounded by people with those beliefs. But every religion professes its own dominance and truth. None have any objective evidence for their theory on the divine, although some of the practices such as prayer and meditation are undoubtedly beneficial. I believe that whatever divine spirit there may be will love a virtuous soul, and that's what I try to be anyways, so I really don't think too much about it. But disproving the big bang or evolution (especially) with a religious scripture or doctrine is never going to work. Evidence for the big bang and evolution is objective, and disproof coming from religion is subjective. Until, of course, the time where god or allah or whoever comes to earth, shows their divinity, and demonstrates creation of the cosmos. Even then, to an objective mind, there will be doubts.

 

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Forget the one swoop and even the very real long time or so many swoops; forget about how the first atom existed, let me ask you another questions with the same example: If I have three liquid colors and a peace of paper and I will leave it this way, would it produce any thing? There must be someone to move and hold the colors to start painting! Otherwise nothing will be moved!!!! Accordingly nothing will be produced? Who is moving the objects? Where did the gravity come from? How did it exist? How did it begin?​

 

you cannot ever logically prove the existence of God/Allah (whatever you want to call it). You just can't. You can use faulty logic, but logic is ruled by the laws of empricism. Belief is not. Belief is something totally different. The two don't meet, ever. The only logical arguments for your point of view consist of logical fallacies. Your scientists making their claims about the Quran are just that, their opinions, not proof positive of anything. And yes, I did check out your links. The Quran is a book written by humans. That much we know. There is no way to ever prove beyond a doubt (using science or logic) that it was or was not divinely inspired. Such a belief requires a leap of faith. You will never convince anyone that what you believe is true, because it is only true for you. That's how truth works, it's all subjective.

yup, that's what I said, and I stand behind that statement 100%. Make that leap for yourself, that's great! But you cannot convince anyone else to do the same. You wanna learn now empirical science and logic proves things, you need to hit some books and study hard, because you have a long long way to go to figure it out from where you are right now.

 

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what's going on in the world, am I dreaming? It is illogical totally to say such thing without giving the claimer a chance to prove!!!!!
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You're totally wrong here; you neither know me nor know how many people I convinced them that my belief is true.
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If I will talk as you are doing I say: learn now empirical science and logic proves things, you need to hit some books and study hard Best wishes​

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Many people don't give a real research and time for this matter, a mere fast checking , glancing doesn't make any sense, such issue should lead you to a journey of finding out the answer and the truth, it really doesn't matter if it will take years, because it really deserves it, and in such journey we should be patient, don't give up fast and to be objective. Some people just read theories and assumptions from those who they like their belief and read their proofs and it is enough for them! They don't give the other beliefs a chance.
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Or they don't like to read about the opposite belief of their in details! Myself I read about my belief from Muslims and non-Muslims, I read what the critics say about my belief, why they think it isn't the religion of God etc.
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How did we exist in your opinion or according to your belief which you accepted and believe in? , who created the universe, show me the logic which you are talking about?​

It is important to go to those who claim that they have the logical, evident answer which is supported with proofs, not to anyone we choose who may don't convince us or not informed enough or don't know how to prove it by words or whatever,if your belief isn't logical or isn't supported with evidences or when you cannot prove it that it is right or you aren't confirmedly believe it is true 100% without any doubts, you have doubts, then it is better to ask again and again till you reach the truth, no matter what it is.​

tell me, how did the first object exist? Please a logical answer, something cannot come from nothing. Nothing cannot create something.If C1 were caused by C2, and C2 by C3 to CN, then C1 cannot exist unless C2 does, etc. And CN means that it has no beginning. Consequently, C1 cannot exist. In other words, if human existence is preceded by an infinite amount of causes requiring an infinite amount of time to take place, it is the same as saying that they will never take place. Human existence thus becomes impossible. Give me real proofs.
[Quraan: 52:35-36] '' were they created from nothing or did they create themselves. Or did they create the heavens and earth? Nay, but they have no firm belief.''
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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Scientifically speaking, you need an input of energy. Sunlight, waves, lightning, and the heat of the earth are all energy sources to produce evolution. Once you have the raw materials (inorganic compounds) and those energy sources, it has been proven that organic molecules are easily formed. You seem to be treating evolution and the big bang as the same thing, and they are nothing close. Evolution has nothing to do with how gravity or the universe came to be. But still, you don't need metaphors to explain evolution. I can do it quite easily, and it's posted above somewhere.
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The thing to start evolution need not be a cell. Only capable of replication.

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Those "proofs" come from the quran, which doesn't make it to the objective evidence category. To accept those as proofs, one must accept the quran as true. Sure, some stuff in it is true, but most of it, especially the important parts, is stuff you can never prove to be true.
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How do you know they were inspired by god? What makes them more inspired by god than Aesop or Mark Twain? You can't prove they were inspired by god, and even if they were, they were men, and cannot help but interpret whatever inspirations they had in whatever way they see fit.
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Still, that's according to Islam. If you believe Islam, you might believe that. If not, then no. It's not objective.
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If god wanted people to believe in god, he/she/it would have made it obvious that he/she/it existed. All we have is a bunch of books that are just different ideas of the nature of god, assuming that god exists. And really, it's a crapshoot as to which one is right. Which one you choose depends more on where/how you were raised than anything else. God really hasn't put forth much effort to show people he/she/it exists. And because it's god, it would really be no effort at all.
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So does belief in evolution. Both have gaps in the theory. My personal journey has led me to believe that only an intelligent designer could have created the earth I live on.

Look into the theory of irreducibly complex machines. that is what all of our cell are. All of them. If you take one small component away the entire thing would cease to function. If you want to believe that we just happend to come together, that is your leap of faith, its a lot longer than mine.

 

Evolution is the logical conclusion from the mass of evidence about the origin of life and species. That's not faith, that's logic. All that requires is the lack of something obstructing it. ID is in no way scientific, provable, or logical. Irreducible complexity says that cells are too complex to have arisen on their own. Which is probably true, but evolution didn't have to start with cells. All you need is a reaction where a molecule (any molecule) replicates itself.
http://www.esalenctr.org/display/confpage.cfm?confid=5&pageid=50&pgtype=1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_life

 

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Where did Sunlight, waves, lightning, and the heat of the earth come from, how did they exist?​

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So what does it need to start?​

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It doesn't matter from where it came as long as it is giving you a logical proof? And when you accept those proofs that mean that this Quraan is from God, because nobody claimed that he wrote it except Allah, and he revealed as a proof of his existence and that Quraan is true and the real word of his majesty. How did this book talked about such things? How could Muhammad (the illiterate) have possibly known all this 1400 years ago, when scientists have only recently discovered this using advanced equipment and powerful microscopes which did not exist at that time? Quraan: Nor does he (Muhammad) speak of (his own) desire, it is only a Revelation revealed. He has been taught (this Quraan) by one mighty in power…So Allah revealed to His slave (Muhammad) whatever He revealed…And that to your Lord (Allah) is the End (Return of everything)….​

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Allah supported them with proofs that they are his messengers and prophets; for example, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) the Quraan is one of his miracles which includes so many proofs as I mentioned some of them.​

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They follow God's instructions not their own point of views,​

Deuteronomy:And thou shalt do that which is right and good in the sight of the LORD: that it may be well with thee …​

Quraan: Nor does he (Muhammad) speak of (his own) desire, it is only a Revelation revealed. He has been taught (this Quraan) by one mighty in power…​

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Again, Islam is based on Quraan, Quraan gave proofs that this Book is the word of God; if a person cannot prove that this Quraan isn't from God by proofs then this is the real word of God, and if a person will accept its proofs then he is a Muslim. That's why the Quraan is the last book and Muhammad is the last Messenger, because Allah gave many types of clear proofs in Quraan which made the Quraan an enough proof for all times till the day of Judgment and there is no need to reveal another book and Messenger after this clear book,​

Quraan: There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in false deitiesand believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower. Allah is the Walee (Protector or Guardian) of those who believe. He brings them out from darkness into light. But as for those who disbelieve, their Auliya (supporters and helpers) are Taghoot (false deities and false leaders, etc.), they bring them out from light into darkness. Those are the dwellers of the Fire, and they will abide therein forever.​

Quraan: What ! Did you then think that WE had created you without purpose, and that you would not be brought back to US ?​

If there is a proof of God's existence and a proof that he wants us to follow a particular religion then it is better to do so.​

Quraan: Surely the true religion with ALLAH is Islam… And whoso denies the Signs of ALLAH, then surely ALLAH is quick at reckoning.​

Quraan: And whoso seeks a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he shall be among the losers.​

Quraan:I (Muhammad) have been commanded only to worship the Lord of this city (Makkah), Him Who has sanctified it and His is everything. And I am commanded to be from among the Muslims (those who submit to Allah in Islam) And to recite the Quran, so whosoever receives guidance, receives it for the good of his ownself, and whosoever goes astray, sayè (Allah is the speaker here) (to him): "I am only one of the warners."è I.e. not to force anyone to accept Quraan and Islam.​

Quraan: Say (O Muhammad): "I am only a human being like you. It is inspired in me that your Ilah (God) is One Ilah (God - Allah), therefore take Straight Path to Him (with true Faith Islamic Monotheism) and obedience to Him, and seek forgiveness of Him. And woe to Al-Mushrikoon (the disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah, polytheists, idolaters, etc. )​

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Myself, he already did, Quraan is a very clear proof.​

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We will show them our signs in the universe, and in their ownselves, until it becomes manifest to them that this (the Quraan) is the truth. Is it not sufficient in regard to your Lord that He is a Witness over all things?''​

'' And this Quraan is not such as could ever be produced by other than Allah (Lord of the heavens and the earth)''​

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These books should give proofs and if they did, then you know.​

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It is easy to consider which one is right, by searching and examining them objectively.​

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I think you have to put forth much real effort in searching and finding out the truth till you will get the firm belief regarding his existence [does he exist or not, does he want us to follow a religion or just to enjoy our life etc].​

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Quraan:Whenever there came to them a Messenger with what they themselves desired not - a group of them they called liars, and others among them they killed.​

Quraan: And if the truth had been in accordance with their desires, verily, the heavens and the earth, and whosoever is therein would have been corrupted! Nay, We have brought them their reminder, but they turn away from their reminder.​

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Quraan:Certainly, We have brought to them a Book (the Quran) which We have explained in detail with knowledge, - a guidance and a mercy to a people who believe. Await they just for the final fulfillment of the event? On the Day the event is finally fulfilled (i.e. the Day of Resurrection), those who neglected it before will say: "Verily, the Messengers of our Lord did come with the truth, now are there any intercessors for us that they might intercede on our behalf? Or could we be sent back (to the first life of the world) so that we might do (good) deeds other than those (evil) deeds which we used to do?" Verily, they have lost their ownselves (i.e. destroyed themselves) and that which they used to fabricate (invoking and worshipping others besides Allah) has gone away from them.​

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Quraan: And warn (O Muhammad) mankind of the Day when the torment will come unto them; then the wrong-doers will say: "Our Lord! Respite us for a little while, we will answer Your Call and follow the Messengers!" (It will be said): "Did ye not swear before that there would be no end for you ?).​

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Quraan: Until, when death comes to one of them, he says: "My Lord! Send me back, "So that I may do good in that which I have left behind!" No! It is but a word that he speaks, and behind them is Barzakh (a barrier) until the Day when they will be resurrected… "Were not My Verses (this Quran) recited to you, and then you used to deny them?" They will say: "Our Lord! Our wretchedness overcame us, and we were (an) erring people. "Our Lord! Bring us out of this; if ever we return (to evil), then indeed we shall be Zalimoon: (oppressors, unjust, and wrong-doers, etc.)." He (Allah) will say: "Remain you in it with ignominy! And speak you not to Me!" Verily! There was a party of My slaves, who used to say: "Our Lord! We believe, so forgive us, and have mercy on us, for You are the Best of all who show mercy!" But you took them for a laughingstock, so much so that they made you forget My Remembrance while you used to laugh at them! Verily! I have rewarded them this Day for their patience, they are indeed the ones that are successful… "Did you think that We had created you in play (without any purpose), and that you would not be brought back to Us?" So Exalted be Allah, the True King, La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), …And whoever invokes (or worships), besides Allah, any other ilah (god), of whom he has no proof, then his reckoning is only with his Lord. Surely! Al-Kafiroon (the disbelievers in Allah and in the Oneness of Allah, polytheists, pagans, idolaters, etc.) will not be successful. And say (O Muhammad SAW): "My Lord! Forgive and have mercy, for You are the Best of those who show mercy!"​

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Quraan: And (remember) the Day when the Zalim (wrong-doer, oppressor, polytheist, etc.) will bite at his hands, he will say: "Oh! Would that I had taken a path with the Messenger ( Muhammad). "Ah! Woe to me! Would that I had never taken so-and-so as a friend! "He indeed led me astray from the Reminder (this Quran) after it had come to me. And Shaitan (Satan) is ever a deserter to man in the hour of need." And the Messenger (Muhammad) will say: "O my Lord! Verily, my people deserted this Quran (neither listened to it, nor acted on its laws and orders).​

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Quraan: Do they then wait for anything other than that the angels should come to them, or that your Lord should come, or that some of the Signs of your Lord should come (i.e. portents of the Hour)! The day that some of the Signs of your Lord do come, no good will it do to a person to believe then, if he believed not before, nor earned good (by performing deeds of righteousness) through his Faith. Say: "Wait you! we (too) are waiting."​

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It is up to you brother​

Quraan:'' So remind them , for you are but a remembrancer. You are not a dictator on them '' '' you are not at all a warder over them''​

Quraan: 52:35-36] '' were they created from nothing or did they create themselves. Or did they create the heavens and earth? Nay, but they have no firm belief.''​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

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, it seems that it was a blessed journey, may Allah bless you, go on​

Relevant links: How there isn't (designer)? (Presentation)​

Now a famous Professor Atheist believes in God existence ​

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Yours Sincerely,​

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Cat Stevens​

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Where did that molecule come from, how did it exist? Who created it? How did it replicate itself?
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Something cannot come from nothing. Nothing cannot create something.
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Allah [Quraan: 52:35-36] '' were they created from nothing or did they create themselves. Or did they create the heavens and earth? Nay, but they have no firm belief.''
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This is a lack theory! I can't explain to you how to use the keyboard as long as you don't know the alphabets! How can they go on explaining the theory by ignoring the main and the very first question? How did the first molecule exist? E.g. if I tell you a theory about the origin of the Glass, I say, there was a water in an metal plate, the water was frozen, then I go on talking about the evolution that happened to it till this day! It will be wrong if we will know that the first object wasn't water, but sand! It is important to know what the first object was; otherwise, we are wasting our time! because what if the first assumed object wasn't what we based our the theory about its evolution? so, How did it exist, maybe the example which I gave is wrong but it is only an example to clear my point.
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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The universe can't have come from nothing! how is that possible?

The same people say that god has always existed. Right.


I think the universe was always there, or was a part of something even greater. Time may have been created with the big bang, and so asking where the universe comes from is pointless, it was simply always there in one form or another.

I think it's a bit stupid to assume that we understand time and the universe completely. We can only make assumptions as to how it came into existence.
Just because we have no logical explanation YET doesn't mean a god created it, all that does is change the "where did the universe come from?" to "where did god come from?" Might aswell stick with the former, which would also satisfy ockham's razor.

Just because some people are satisfied with not having to think about complex issues by claiming god created it every time they cannot explain it, doesn't mean that others are.

 

Why did it have to come from anywhere? As has already been stated in this thread, we cannot create or truly destroy anything..... maybe be the core matter that makes up the universe has simply been here forever.... and the universe as we know it only came into existance when that matter was forcibly changed.... as would, and probably did, happen in the event we know as "the big bang".

Those who subscribe to the creation/intelligent design theorie(s) constantly avoid a big question when it comes to their beliefs about the "start" of the universe. We know that the matter that the sun uses to provide heat/light is not infinite, we also know through observation that the sun will eventually exhaust it's "fuel" and die.

So the question is this...... Why would your God(s) create an earth where life was only ever planned to be a temporary, passing, phase? The Bible/Quaran etc etc speak often of their god(s) plan for human life.... but while they go into great detail about how life here started..... they never mention that the creator evidently planned that life here on earth would only ever be temporary (albeit "temporary" being potentially billions of years).

It seems odd to me that a god(s) that could create the universe as we know it, would also decide at the moment of the universe' creation to put a time limit on it's existance......

 

Cerberus
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You think that, give a proof or a theory which supports you thought.
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Quraan: And most of them follow nothing but conjecture. Certainly, conjecture can be of no avail against the truth. Surely, Allah is All-Aware of what they do.
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Quraan: They follow but a guess and that which they themselves desire, whereas there has surely come to them the Guidance from their Lord!
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Quraan: While they have no knowledge thereof. They follow but a guess, and verily, guess is no substitute for the truth.
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I believe that we were created by a being which is not itself created, Eternal God, Al-mighty, who can produce objects from nothing,
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Quraan:…Allâh creates what He wills. When He has decreed something, He says to it only: "Be!" and it is.
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Quraan: Verily! Our Word unto a thing when We intend it, is only that We say unto it: "Be!" and it is.
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I think it is impossible to assume that we understand God [His existence- his mighty- perfection- His eternity etc] completely, because our mind and comprehension and understanding is limited.
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Just because we have no logical explanation YET doesn't mean that god didn't created it.
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Myself I believe that Allah gave the very logical proof of his existence in Quraan, for a summary read posts 21 and 22​

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Peace
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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Oz!
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Because, something cannot come from nothing. Nothing cannot create something.
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I don't want a maybe assumption.
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Prove to me the intactness of the big bang theory.
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Irrelevant, but maybe I will write a thread about this matter someday with details.
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Read more.
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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