Scrog Vs Fim vs Supercropping

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  1. MontgomeryBrogan

    MontgomeryBrogan Member

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    Hi All

    I have just set up 3 boys with all of these methods for testing purposes. Anyone got any hint, tips tricks? Also any success/failure stories about these methods would be warmly received.

    Will post pics soon.

    Cheers

    Monty
     
  2. meangreen

    meangreen Senior Member

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    Fim and supercropping are essentially the same technique(topping),and with some strains increases yields while others it dont.But one must consider whether your yields will increase with a plant that has a bigger footprint or is it better to have the room for more plants(untopped) that can be placed in the same area which carry a smaller footprint.Scrog or sog again works to improve with some strains but not others.I have found all methods to be a waste of time in most situations.Peace
     
  3. MontgomeryBrogan

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    Hey Green


    Thanks for the reply, I thought Fim was cutting away the tops and Super was just the crushing of the stem. So when you say "waste of time" what methods do you suggest to get the best yields. I have AK47 x Northern any ideas what methods will produce a good yield on this strain. I have tried the standard grow and did ok just feel I can do better.

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  4. meangreen

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    I am constintly trying new strains for medical use so when I say a waste of time its derived from not spending enough time with a given strain to know if room for yield improvement can be had from any of the said methods.I have tried all in the past with mixed results,and scrog is a complete waste of time except in confined low light situations..With that said I did get increased yields per plant with both fim and supercropping but had I not done either I could have placed more plants in the given area and achieved the same if not more.Some strains respond well to pruning while others its detrimental too.Honestly I have found that by allowing most strains to grow as they will leaves a smaller footprint thus allowing more plants in a given area and it all works out the same.The strain you have is more of a vertical,small foot print) growing strain and I would just let do ther thing.CO2 will get you up to 30% more yield.Hope this helps.Peace

    Supercropping is an easy growth - training method for . This is simply cutting off the top of the main stem several times during its vegetative growth, leaving approximately 10% of the stem intact each time. This method induces the plant to generate the growth of additional side shoots, which in turn increases the overall bud production in most all situations except in the case where a particular strain responds in a negitive way.

    Scrog uses a screen, usually of netting, screenwire or chickenwire, is attached at a desired height above the plants. This allows the growing marijuana plants to begin to grow horizontally after reaching the height limit, thus keeping the canopy, or height, at an even level, which allows consistent light penetration into the growing plants.once again strain dependent on yield increasement but mainly a way to maximize in a small area where alot odf watts are not feasible.

    FIM is to make the cut below the center of the node, leaving about 10% intact. This is the key, because the vegetation left behind has cells that are rapidly dividing in many different directions. This can lead to as many as EIGHT tops from a single pruning.
     
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  6. rangerdanger

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    Indoors, more branches do not necassarily mean more yield by weight.
    It usually means more, but smaller buds vs. an untopped plant.
    Topping stresses the plant and it takes 2 weeks for the plant to fully recover.
    More branches usually means more light, water, nutes and container size are needed to increase yield.
    Outside is different. You have an unlimited amt of light, an unlimited container (if planted in the ground) just water and fertilize it more.
    I've seen heavily topped plants that were about 15' across, and one of them yielded the most bud I've ever seen a plant yield approx. 3.5 lbs of buds. Thety were drinking massive amt's of water and the grower dumped tons of miracle-gow (ugh!) on them.
    The pot looked great, smelled great, but but it was weak weak weak. We called it pretendica.
    Which led me to start thinking that maybe there is a limit to how many total THC a plant can make, and a huge plant with mega-buds means less THC per bud, I don't know.
     
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    Which led me to start thinking that maybe there is a limit to how many total THC a plant can make, and a huge plant with mega-buds means less THC per bud, I don't know.


    Intresting thought ranger,but in my experience thc production or potency wouldnt change as that is a product of genetics assuming all the plants needs were met,but the plants flower production(yield) would slip of from the plant having to place its energy into producing cannaboids in more locations among the plant.I think your buddies pretendica which gave you this thought was just bogus genetics producing a lesser quality product as the potency of some plants I have topped in the past was unchanged from one's untopped,but again the bud size was smaller in comparison .
     

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