Hospitals: They kill.

yes.

 

hey paintingjames and everyone,
who can we trust anymore?

 

i think the point is not to trust someone else to do all your thinking for you.

 

trust the plants!!! they are waaaaaaaaay smarter than humans

 

I don't believe that because thats not what cancer is. Cancer is where the DNA inside of your cell is damaged and whatever makes the cell produce once every so many hours is changed to make the cell reproduce much faster. The cell then starts to reproduce and creates other cells, and it does it at such a fast rate that too many of the cells are made and that can kill you. Cancer isn't a fungus or a virus and fungus defidantly isn't cancer. If it was, then we would be able to see that it was a virus or see that it was a fungus (especially a fungus, because fungus cells are way different than our cells).

The only ways to cure cancer are to either kill all of the cancerous cells, or to somehow fix the DNA, which there is no way. You would need to create a special protien to do it, a protien that would enter the cell and go into the nucleous to the damaged DNA and rebuilt it exactilly the way it needs to be to make the person who has cancer.

I know there are some hospitals that make people sick and do nasty things to people to get their money. I don't know anything about the food they serve. If you ever have to get a major surgery that costs tens of thousands of dollars, do it in a country like Thailand. It will cost you thousands of dollars less, and you'll get a vacation with excellent service.

 

Working in health care, I have to disagree. Yes, people DO die in hospitals, mainly because the majority of people who are sick enough to DIE go to a hospital first.

When you have a really serious illnesss, and "natural" treatments leave you sicker than you were before, you may change your mind. I t happened to me. What I see in my practice is people who think they are sick ("systemic candida", "parasites" ect) who get miraculously better when put on a difficult diet (with the idea you have to suffer to get better) and then given an herb which makes them shit like a goose ect. I DON'T want to get into "parasites" as it is the bane of anyone educated in real science, but it is one of those "I think I am sick." things, which respond to basically any placebo, sorry, that's what I have seen.

The problem is that too many people want hospitals and doctors to fix the problems they have, that are a direct result of decades of unhealthy living. Most of the people who die are those born pre WWII at this point. These people usually have HORRIBLE diets, beleive what they want to believe about health (like my FIL, who has had two heart surgeries AND cancer (now cured, thanks to the hospital) and COPD, which were most probably due to his years of smoking, drinking unhealthy amounts of alcohol and eating nothing but processed crap, tons of animal fat, and virtually no vegetables or fruit. My mother has myriad health problems, she spends a lot of time in hospitals (none have killed her yet) yet, she spent most of her life eating NO fruit, only little quantities of canned vegetables, disgusting amounts of dairy products and smoking like a smoke stack. THEN she wants a pill to "cure" her.

In situations where people have treatable illnesses, doctors and hospitals can be a Godsend. I have a Chronic Pain problem. I have tried

• At least 40 different herbs
• 30 or more difference homeopathis treatments, both single and combinations
• "laying on of hands"
• faith healing
• "crystal therapy" Hey, I was desperate, I let someone put crystals on parts of my body, with the idea that it would help the pain
• Some similar thing, but they used heated rocks, instead
• Chiropractic, from two different doctors
• accupuncture
• a program which was supposed to "detoxify" my liver. All it did was make me shit like there was no tomorrow, I still had pain
• Cannibis, as this was touted as a "cure" for chronic pain (and it is for some, but not for me) It might be fun stuff, but it doesn't touch my migraines
• Followed the "yeast connection diet" for a few years

NONE of these had any effect on my pain, or the intestinal problems I was having at the time. The intestinal problems were cleared up by completely staying away from ALL the foods I had the slightest allergy to. (This was from a suggestion from a Gastroinerologist. A doctor. The "nutritionist" only gave me things which made the problem worse, and he refused to beleive that I was allergic to psyllium. I am, it only made me worse, yet he claimed it was neccesary for "cleansing" and the GI doctor beleived me, and said it was probably causing the bleeding in my colon. Got rid of all the allergenic foods, threw away the fucking psillium and Pau D' Arco and the GI problems cleared up. I didn't need to go to a hospital, just a good doctor.)

Guess what works for my serious, nearly life threatening pain? DRUGS!!!! Pharmeceuticals. And lots of them. I tried everything else. Only when I got a good doctor who knew what type of pain I was in, did I get any releif. There were lifestyle changes as well. I have to stay away from chocolate during my period, I have to wake up at the same time of day, every day, and eat and drink something, I have to stay away from foods high in tyromine, like bananas, wine and MSG (which I don't eat anyway.) I also leaned to treat the pain as soon as it starts. All the "natural" practitioners were of the "don't take the drugs unless you can''t stand the pain any longer." Well, that only INCREASES Chonic Pain. Treatment as soon as symptoms start is the key, as well as the right daily preventive meds.

It is MY logical conclusion, that most (maybe not all, but most) people who are all anti doctor or anti hospital have probably never really had a serious illness. A very close family member has really never been physically sick a day in his life. He is totally anti doctor ect. He has a belief that he has "Enviromental Sensitivity" when what he really has is BiPolar illness and Obsessive Compuslive Disorder. He took his actual diagnosis as an insult and became anti doctor. He has really never had the need for a surgeon, a doctor, (other than a psychiatrist, who he refuses to see) and, having never been physically ill, he has the luxury of thinking NO ONE needs medical help. Most people who are antidoctor are not BiPolar, but most have most likely never really needed the help of modern medicine to save their lives.

Modern medicine saved my babies lives. Without it, I would have given birth 4 or so month early, or if I did mangage to carry the baby to term, either one or both of us would have died during the labor. That OR saved my babies and me.

But, no one who is antidoctor will beleive this, until they really need a doctor's services.

IMO, if people don't want to utilize the efforts of Science based medicine, that is their decision. I have three freinds cured of cancer, who would be dead without modern medicine, one of my freinds had breast cancer, and not only did medicine cure her, she now has a child. Which she was told would never happen after the chemo.

Yes, people DIE in hospitals. But, you don't belong in a hospital unless you are near death in the first place. Taking care of yourself,when you have the ability is much better than trying to play "catch up" in your 50s, 60s or 70s.

 

Oh, Green, I wasn't disagreeing with you. You are right, cancer is NOT a fungus. You're right. And why do we see "more cancer" than we did in times gone? Because, in the past people died of things that are totally curable, easily today (like, my great uncle, who died from an infection from a broken blister, before the advent of antibiotics, his wife put honey and herbs on it, and he swelled up and died, a stinking putrid death.) One has to die from SOMETHING, and with a good number of things being curable, cancer is the end route for many.

Sad but true. But, if people would rather die from Diptheria or Scarlett Fever as a child, or an infection from a tooth abcess at 22, I guess some would think that was better.

 

hmm yeah i'm gonna listen to a 16 year old kid that doens't know what the fuck he's talking about.
hmm yeah magge sugar this is a thread about hospitals killing, not hospitals saving. of course hospitals save but for the most part the remedies they instill upon the mass populace are all derived from plants and animals, but hospitals do not try to educate you on this fact or give you adequtie forumulas because the plants are better, but unfortunatley if everyone knew thay could grow anti-cancer remedies in their backyard, the american caner society , the second largest corporation in amercia next to Petro, would go the fuck out of business. coincidence? .
instead they push their synthetic drugs on you like crack dealers in the street, with similar prices and assimilation techniques, and now a days it's like a fucking fast food restraunt drive through...you seee the shit you want on the tv commercials and go in and whip out your insurance card and buy it.
THEY BRAINWASH YOU

 

The illusion is that cancer is some isolated mutagen. Actually when cancer exists it is everywhere in the body. The leff evolved forms of very unfriendly molds, fungus and eyasts run rampant in the blood. Using powerful microscopes this useless outdated ideology has been effortlessly rebuked. Red blood cells can actually be seen mutating into cancer-like cells.
Doing things like raw soup fasts immidiately puts tumors into regression.
Just an hour ago I took a shit and a pile of gallstones came out. This alternative therapy for removing gallstones and yes, every person ahs them just about. It involves olive oil and lemon juice. Young people die routinely form gall stone surgery.
Do we see how effortless and simple these less than adequate lifestyles people live produce cancer cells?
The opposition is meaningless. Every person can simply undergo something like a 2 week raw food blended soup and life food beverage fast to see for themselves how the body truly works and what has been going on with it.
Peace and Spiritual Blessings

 

The American CANCER Society is a nonprofit organization, which gives support to cancer patients and their families. They have no "business" to go out of.

HUH? I didn't understand any of this.

I've fasted. Still had excruciating pain. See my post above to see what else I did. Herbs ect. Still, pain. Only pharms worked. Now, I am not saying herbs don't have their place, but they don't work for everything, and everyone. Otherwise WHY would medicine have progressed past the 1st Century AD, when herbs were all "known" according to those who tell me this?

Wait, lemme get this right? You think you shit a gallstone out? Basically physically impossible. If you were to drink enough olive oil, your stool would become yellowish and if you were a bit constipated, you could shit what looked like balls, or "stones" but people don't shit gallstones. Were these stones confirmed via ultrasound? Are they no longer evident on the same ultrasound? I'm sorry, but this makes little sense to me.

 

You know it less than funny to think about all the surgeries that people are prescribes simply in order to benefit the corporate schematic. The same is more than true for medicines.
Do you know that everyone who eats cooked, denatured foods has a gall bladder full of combined toxic wastes? These usually soft stones interfere with bile excretion and affect every aspect of existence for the individual. When they reach a certain point of less than idea health a doctor, misinformed, prescribes gall bladder removal.
Did you know that if you fast and take laxatives, one to two cups of oilive oil, lots of lemon juice, and there are plenty of more ways to do this, the clumps of unhealthy matter excrete effortlessly out the ducts?
I have done this three times! People all over the world do these cleanses and shit out piles of stones. Nutritional specialists have labratories analyze them on regular basis to find out what they are made of. The opposition says they are solidified olive oils. Can you believe that? This opposition inevitably solidifies prescription of uneeded surgeries.
Anyway the path of freedom from hospitals and disease is open!
It is a less than easy path.
Processed and denatured foods are hardcore drugs and when one trys to cease eating them they go through withdrawal symptoms not disimilar to herouin withdrawal!

 

ahh yea
i typo alot
should say the less and not leff
and yea u can shit out gallstones
its not physically impossible
personally i am not into normal fasting, I do nutritional fasting, a fast that supports and nurtures the body
i will say that only healthy individuals full of minerals and light forces can truly benefit from a cold fast

 

Well, if it makes you feel better. My guess would be you are shitting crap coated olive oil. But, that's just the scientist in me.

Whatever works, and doesn't kill you, I guess is OK.

 

Crap coated olive oil. I have suspected the same thing. It is not covered though. It is a soft but firm ball. Mine tend to be green with a little black stuff once. The first gall stone fluish I did I had large ones. Maybe a dozena s big as my thumbnail and hordes of pebbles. This time I only had small ones, maybe a few as big as my pinky fingernail. On my second one I got out some black gravel. I am in contact with people who do these flushs all around the world. She collects them and sends them to labs to have them analyzed. She even knows what part of life they come form and can tell what sort of foods the person ate by the color. For example my green ones are from growing up on sugar and starch. People that do these fasts repeatedly - and even in young people like me it takes awhile to clear them all out - eventually cease passing stones. So your theory is bunk, I will say, but I have read things from googling that say the same about the gallstone flush and claim to have all manner of evidence suporting their conclusions as well.

 

Now I don't mean to be too much of a synic here, but hasn't anyone noticed that many people who go to hospitals are sick, sometimes serriously so?

Perhaps diseases kill, and hospitals like most human institutions could be improved upon?

 

Ain't it weird what we talk about on this forum, Herb? I suppose it IS possible, I've never done it. If it works and you feel better. I'd like to see the stones submitted to a double blind study in a hospital lab (where no one would know what they were or what they were actually looking for) so that definitive analysis could be done. Damn, if you could poop out a gall stone, we'd be on to something. But Independent research, from a source which has NO way to benefit the outcome either way would be the only way to do it.

That would take a double blind study in a lab, funded by an impartial party. It's done all the time, I just would have no way to know about going about doing it.

Interesting.

Destro has a good point, too.

 

which came first, the chicken or the egg?

 

perhaps the steralile over-processed hydrogonated sugar/starchy food we eat is what is making us diseased.
go into any fucking gas station and look around...what do you see? candy bars and cookies and donoughs and hot dogs and slurpees and sodas all the wrong kind of everything for the body.
Go down any strip in america. what do you see? fast food chains with high regard for frugal things, sticking it to the kids to get em addicted young, where they'll alwys go and have food fun.
Walk into any grocery store in america, what can you get? things in a box or can mainly, some things in a bag. mostly the advertising food fad that sticks around like all their hygrogenated oils in your heart valves.
Walk into any hospital in amercia what do you hear? Do you hear "look here you need to stop eating all these things and look into the Kirlian energy of the foods you eat more, which will help you to become immune." but doc i got a cold! "then take 650 milligrans of high quality vitamin c every three hours for 9 days, on yeah and the good news of that is on the first day the cold will be gone."
NO you see in america only what you are meant to be seen. That much is obvious. Health care is controlled by privitized interests instead of public, and that was a fatal flaw in the integrity of health care in this country.

 

in this case, the quack!

 

You're the one who has no idea what they're talking about. You think that the American Cancer Society is the second largest corporation in America, and Petroleum is the first. Like Maggie said, the American Cancer Society is nonprofit.

Petroleum can't be a corporation. Petroleum is a resource. Examples of corporations are Walmart and Enron. Walmart is the largest corporation in America, not petro. Walmart is the largest corporation in the world. About 25% of all exports from China are for Walmart alone.

Don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.