Scientology

Your sarcasm is funny but doesn't make my statements any less true. Scientology hasn't stood the test of time for no reason. Tell me, all the people who have sworn about miracles that happend to them thanks to Scientology, all the people whose lives have literally been saved, these thousands of people all over the world are all lying? Wow. Too bad the all the pyramid schemes couldn't get people to do the same thing, they'd still be around too eh?

 

I would be interested in seeing these case studies where people were cured of epilepsy, heart attacks, and such with scientology. Thousands worldwide, like you claim, ought to make for some very good research and documentation.

Oh, and scientology began in 1950, and I would hardly call 56 years the "test of time."


What is making your statements less true is your lack of information backing them up. We are supposed to just take you at your word? Not all of us care to be misled...

 

They are all Scientologists. Ask any Scientologist and they will tell you. Read Dianetics and you'll read about some of the early success stories. Read the book "What is Scientology" and there is an entire chapter dedicated to people telling about their experiences. Success stories from every level of Scientology. People are cured of epilepsy, migraines, and inexplicable illness including limbs suddenly withering away, and someone in danger of losing their eyes for no apparent reason. It's not as if all these people go to lab after auditing to get examined. They've just experienced a miracle that forever changed their lives. Any Scientologist has success stories. For some it's that they conquered their fear of talking in front of audiences, for others it's something bigger. Oh and seeing that most religions lifespan is a matter of years before they deteriorate I see 56 years as standing the test of time, including the fact that Scientology is the fastest growing religion in the world. No other religion has grown as quickly in the last 30 years than Scientology. Furthermore it's grown more in the last 5 years than ever before.

 

I can find you the same shit from every religion. We got pentacostals casting out deamons every sunday, letting the blind see and the crippled walk. If we take everyone at their word we would all have to believe all kinds of B.S.

And as far as religion giving people a psychological boost (people getting over stage fright and such), that is aanother claim people of any religion can make. That type of thing is a product of belief in any manner, not one particular belief.

Also, it's rate of growth is not an indication of any sort of absolute truth of it's message.

 

If you've read Dianetics you'd understand the reasoning behind it. It makes sense. It's a mental/spiritual thing. Not some guy waving a wand and saying some chant to heal you. It's not "healing" in the traditional sense of the word really. These things, epilepsy, migraines etc. are all psychosomatic, and that's where Scientology comes in and rids the person of the psychosomatic. It's not some religious ritual with candles and holy water to get and evil spirit out. It's therapy for the spirit and mind.

 

Actually, the fastest growing religion in the world is FreakerSoupism. Last year, nobody was a follower, and now I myself subscribe to that belief. That makes a growth rate of infinity percent.

 

Ok, well show me the scientific research supporting this then. Tom Cruise jumping on a couch doesn't count.

 

I refuse to join anything that won't allow me to masturbate.

It's like L Ron himself said:

"If you want to make a million dollars...start a religion."
(That may be paraphrased a bit, as I don't have the actual quote on hand.)

At any rate, the whole thing's a joke. I have a hard time believing that I
have "Body Thetans" stuck to my ass cheeks, and that I should fork over
my money, and mind, to these fucks, so that they can help me get rid of
them. It's a load of shit.

Plus, 2cool, no offence, but you're 16. You're very impressionable, and you
still have a lot to learn. Not saying that I don't, but your mind is still very
fresh and ready to soak up the first thing it sees. Don't buy into this crap,
because of it's empty promises of enlightenment. As Annie said, you can find
enlightenment by meditating. No religion, rules, or beliefs necessary. Find
enlightenment on your own terms, don't buy into the money making schemes.

 

Again, L Ron Hubbard never said anything about "If you wanna make a million dollars, start a religion." he was born into a family of millionaires. He lived his whole life rich. He didn't need any more money. Oh and FYI, you CAN masturbate in Scientology. This isn't Christianity. BTW, thanks for sterotyping me. I don't go "Wow, Tom Cruise is a Scientologist and he's famous! Scientology = Good." I've researched lots of religions, and many are interesting. But nothing really snaps until you read Scientology. I'm getting really tired of sitting here and having to defend my religion. People keep repeating the same things that I've addressed 5 times over. Oh and Sera Michele, I don't have the actual research with me, it's all very technical stuff that's hard to really understand. It's not like he jots down his findings immediately into book form. If you want research read "Dianetics", or some of his other Dianetic books are a little more detailed. I've defended Scientology here 3 times now. I forgot intolerance was such a popular theme among so called "hippies." Though I must say most people at this forum aren't hippies. Most of them turn out to be asshole potheads who like to post pictures of their dicks, but whatever floats your boat I guess.

 

Wow, your immature outburst and insulting comments REALLY help
you case there, buddy. Way to defend scientology.

First off, he DID say that. He's also been quoted as saying:
"Make money. Make more money. Make other people make money."

Yeah, the guy wasn't obsessed with money, at all.

Besides, it doesn't matter if he was born rich. More often than not, the
rich ones are the ones that seek to have more, more, more, more, and give
less, less, less.

 

Ok, first things first. There are plenty of millionaires in the world, and they are all still trying to get money. People don't stop trying to make money once they have a million dollars...

Secondly, I don't care if the research is techinical stuff that is hard for you to understand, you need to supply us with supporting evidence to your information, you can't just expet us to accept at your word that things like epilepsy are psychosomatic. I can google it myself, but I want to know where YOU are sourcing YOUR information. But if one book is all it takes for you to buy another reality then I've got plenty whacky stuff for you in my Stephen King collection. Why limit yourself to a sci-fi writer?

And I think you are having problems in this forum because we ARE hippies and we don't like it when someone comes along with a B.S. message of enlightenment and charges a price for it. That is VERY un-hippy. Us hippies share, we don't try to capitalize off of eachother. I don't know any hippies that would start a religion where it takes money (or sitting around judging people - auditing, whatever you call it) to make it to the top.


Edit: And just to add, I just went to scientology's own website and they offered me a free personality test and claimed they would have normally charged $500.00 for it!!! Come on, you can't smell BULLSHIT a mile away??? I may as well went to Match.com looking for enlightenment...

 

Fastest growing religion? Grown more in the past 5 years?

From the very article discussed at the beginning of the thread:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...entology?rnd=1141765569025&has-player=unknown

 

Well said, sister.

 

I don't think anyone is being "intolerant" here. Nobody has called you an asshole for believing this stuff, we (at least I) just don't feel that you should be bound (especially at 16) by such a cult-like religion. Sure, take away some of the basic tenants that help you become a better person, but don't buy into it.

 

from The Boston Herald,1998:
**********************The Church of Scientology's late founder, Lafayette Ronald Hubbard, left behind a $ 640 million fortune, and an estimated 25 million words in books and lectures that form the spiritual core of his controversial religion.

But some of those words are a legacy of exaggerations, half-truths and outright lies, according to Hubbard's son, court records and critics.

"The organization clearly is schizophrenic and paranoid, and this bizarre combination seems to be reflective of its founder LRH," wrote California Superior Court Judge Paul Breckenridge during a top Scientology defector's court suit against the church.

"The evidence portrays a man who has been virtually a pathological liar when it comes to his history, background and achievements," said Breckenridge, who ruled for defector Gerry Armstrong in the 1984 case.
********************

 

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I love it.

 

Hubbard wasn't rich before $cientology.He was writing pulp fiction for sci-fi magazines for a penny-a-word.He made the "start a religion" quote several times in front of various writer acquaintances.
Hubbard dropped out of college.He later claimed to be a Ph D and nuclear physicist.He purchased diplomas to hang on the wall from a mail-order outfit.
He claimed to have been in combat in WW ll.He was never in combat,and was relieved of command three times for being a fuck-up.His two-day battle with a non-existant submarine off the coast of Oregon is an especially funny highlight of his military career.He later *bought* a case full of medals to display in his office.
Hubbard claimed to have been "crippled and blinded" in the war,after which he came up with techniques to heal himself.His correspondence with the Veteran's Administraion after the war show that to be bullshit as well.
Would you buy a used car from this man?

 

Hahahaha, oh lordy, that's too good. Thanks for sharing Dave,
that sheds some interesting light on this subject. Hahahaha.

 

if you read dianetics, you don't understand anything, because of the really long and/or invented words out of context and used incorrectly. Anyone who says they read it and understand it, are saying that because they don't want to admit they don't understand it and look dumb. Nobody can understand it because half of the words in it is not from any known human language, should be called Hubbardese, I think.

exactly, that's the whole point. If you don't understand it, that makes it really hard to disagree or argue against it, doesn't it?

you have been told to believe certain things. We all have to some extent. Most of us look into those beliefs and ask "why?" Why should you believe these things? Because someone has told you to believe it? Because they told you that if you don't believe it, you will suffer the consequences, burn in hell, be unhappy forever, or some other similar scare tactic? Or because you have spent the last twenty years searching your soul for the answers... oh, you haven't even been around 20 years yet. Get a grip. Nobody is being intolerant. Scientology is the most successful MLM ever, not a religion. Find some of Hubbard's books, including Dianetics. Read them. Make up your own mind what kind of person he was. But don't take anyone else's word for it. Unquestioned faith is not worth having. Question your beliefs. If, after all, you find that to be what you really and truly believe is so, your faith will be much stronger for having questioned it in the first place. If not, you will recognize that no claims made by any organisation, religious or otherwise, should ever be accepted blindly without looking for the answers yourself.

 

I would recommend that anyone interested in L. Ron Hubbard should read "Sex and Rockets: the occult world of Jack Parsons" by Jack Carter. It is about Jack Parsons, one of the founders of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory and early pioneers of American Rocketry, who was the #2 figure in Alestair Crowley's group in the U.S. Hubbard was renting a room at Parson's house and took part in the magick rituals. Hubbard was also later a business partner with Parsons and even stole Parsons girlfriend and his boat. There is a lot more in the book but you can read for yourself. It is different view of Hubbard then how he is described by Scientology. It appears that Hubbard got much of his religious knowledge from these years that he later used to create Scientology.