Hi everyone, I hope you are all fine and happy today and everyday, Amen =) © A teacher had many good students in his class but had particular regard and high respect for one of them. Some of the students one day asked the teacher the reason for this. In reply he said, I shall tell you tomorrow." The next day, he handed to each of those students one live chicken. He asked them to take the chickens to a place where they would not be seen by anyone and then slaughter them. After a while, they returned with their chicken duly slaughtered. But his favorite student came back with his chicken alive. The teacher asked him why he had not slaughtered it. He replied. "You had asked me to go to a place where nobody would see me. I tried hard to find a place where God Almighty could not see me. But I failed. Everywhere went I was sure that God could see me and I could not hide from Him. So I could not carry out your instructions. On hearing this, the teacher turned to the other students and remarked, "The reason why I respect this student more is because of his constant awareness of the existence of God who can always see him, no matter where he is. Consequently, he does not commit any sin". Ja'far Bin Muhammad, said to one of his friends, lshaq Bin Ammar, "Fear God as if you are able to see Him because He sees you. And if you think that He is not able to see you, then you become a non-believer. And if you believe that He sees you and you commit a sin in His presence, then you consider Him as the lowest of those seeing you". *The lowest of those seeing youè i.e. e.g. it is prohibited to drink wine, you don't drink it in front of your friends and family, but in somewhere else where no one can see you drink it, but Allah can see you!! You pay attention regarding what the others will think of you! What about Allah? Don't you care what he will consider you! Quraan:… fear them not, but fear Me! Quraan:…fear not men but fear Me Quraan:…Do you fear them? Allah has more right that you should fear Him if you are believers. Narrated Abu Huraira: Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) stated:worship Allah as if you see Him, and if you don't see him, then He is looking at you(Bukhari) Yours Sincerely, Cat Stevens Note: Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!
Congradulations on Muhammad for including something so well understood and established in the Jewish Scriptures and understood by the youngest of schoolchildren. God is Omniscient. Wow! Whats next.. a wise and clever revelation that God is omnipotent too! Anyways, you have mentioned that Wine is forbidden to be drunk (more legalism and rule-minding for Islam) but the problem is that Wine is to be drunk in Allahs Heaven. [possibly along with 72 virgins and beautiful boys, beautiful like Pearls and lots of fruit and Green chairs] Whats going on .. Wine is forbidden in earthly life but is a great reward in the afterlife? is it non-alcoholic wine in IslamHeaven?
Erasmus70 yeah congratulation on dear prophet Muhammad (pbuh) for being the messenger of Allah to convey the message of Allah, yeah Allah chose him to this mission, what a honor, yeah, neither prophet Muhammad nor Jesus (pbut) came to change the basic doctrine of the belief in one God, brought by earlier prophets, but rather to confirm and renew it. Matthew 5.17: Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. congratulations dear prophets. No law in heaven, no forbidden, enjoy your time it is Halal man I really don't know and have no idea concerning what is waiting for me in Paradise, actually Allah is enough for me, if Allah is pleased and satisfied with me then this is my paradise, the paradise of paradises =) Nothing is going on man, you need to understand Allah more, why should I fast for a month but not any more in paradise, that's up to Allah, and don't forget Allah tests us See you there man, in paradise, AmenPeace and loveYours Sincerely, Cat Stevens Note: Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!
..and this, this my friend is why the pirate Muhammad can never never dare to stand beside Jesus. This scripture itself testifies to the Divinity of the Lord Jesus and why He is forever the God Man who has defeated Religion, defeated the Law and now offers us this 'Halil' on Earth and in Heaven, forever reconciled to Him. Read this again, but with the emphasis on the conclusion made from the statement: Matthew 5.17: Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Who can fulfil the Law? None. There is none righteous born of men. Only Jesus and none other fulfilled the Law. As He said at the Cross "It IS Finished!" Catstevens, the truth is looking you right in the face, eye to eye. Think on these things
Erasmus70 Friend, Ops! How did I forgetthat it is the Erasmusic language What is the use of such witness from a corrupted scripture! Numbers 23, 19: God is not a man Matthew 5.17: Do not think that I have come to abolish the law Every prophet was doing so till the last prophet fulfilled it with the last fulfillment, i.e. every prophet wasn't abolishing the former prophet's law but confirm it, renew it and fulfill it, i.e. add new laws, but if you want to understand it in this way, then what doesDo not think that I have come to abolish the lawmean? those corrupters are really so stupid and made laughable and poor lies, it is very easy to know and find the lieshehehe it is really very good and suitable to make it as quizzes for the children to look for the lies, it is a kind of mental sport, it is good for those children who wants to be detectives and investigators in the future especially those Shinichi Kudo freaks. Quraan:…this day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion Matthew 11.11: Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist I know that the truth is with me dear, you really don't have to remind me brother, count on me, trust me Yours Sincerely, Cat Stevens Note: Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!
Lying in a field Don't waste your money man! peace and love Yours Sincerely,Cat Stevens Note: Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!
The Law was not abolished. It was Fulfilled.To put this in another perspective - right now, even as we speak the Law still exists.The difference now?Jesus has fulfilled the Law by being the first and only to live it perfectly, to be sinless and to have no condemnation or penalty for breaking any Laws.Now I live under His accomplishment. To put this another way.... should I arrive at Heavens Gates and its pointed out that I have sinned, I have broken Gods Law and I have fallen short of perfection - Its Jesus who says I can go on to Heaven under HIS name. The Law was never abolished.Jesus fulfilled it.Just as the verse clearly says. And there had not been one greater before John. Now you might ask why Jesus is acting like God and is deciding who is the greatest among men but lets just see what the greatest Prophet (so far) John the Baptist says: "I indeed baptize you with water; but there shall come one mightier than I, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to loose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire: whose fan is in his hand and he will purge his floor; and will gather the wheat into his barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire" So this settles any debate now. Jesus goes on to become the Greatest among mankind. .............. Catstevens, this reminds me to talk to you about Intellectual Dishonesty. Routinely, you are in an intellectual error by citing Scriptures from the real Bible as authoritative. You present them as evidence or true statements which are to validate and verify your Muhammad Bible. BUT As soon as the exact same verse is examined you then change your story and say "Well its corrupted so its no point in using it as a valid verse" You need to stop that. Its Intellectually Dishonest. It only serves to show a Muslim apologist is willing to be tricky and dishonest to cause confusion or to play dishonest games in an argument or debate. So far, I have not seen any evidence that these verses are corrupted although I find it sad and funny that Muslims think they have any authority or right to talk about corrupted scriptures. I think this must be some 'inferiority complex' and the way to make excuses for a Koran that fails to compare to the real Bible. Even still.. if you are going to say "Ok.. lets say this scripture from the Bible is correct" Ok But then dont change your mind half-way through the hypothetical argument and suddenly change your standard and say "ok.. but its not correct so it doesnt matter" Thats dishonest.
Erasmus70 Every prophet was doing so till the last prophet (Muhammad) fulfilled it with the last fulfillment I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)Quraan:…this day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion , Jesus prophesied Muhammad's coming in the Bible,, i.e. every prophet wasn't abolishing the former prophet's law but confirm it, renew it and fulfill it, i.e. add new laws, but if you want to understand it in this way, then what does Do not think that I have come to abolish the law mean? [/QUOTE] A University of Richmond professor, Dr. Robert Alley, after considerable research into newly found ancient documents concludes that Thanks Allah, that Jews don't believe that the law is canceled.Source "....The (Biblical) passages where Jesus talks about the Son of God are later additions.... what the church said about him. Such a claim of deity for himself would not have been consistent with his entire lifestyle as we can reconstruct. For the first three decades after Jesus' death Christianity continued as a sect within Judaism. The first three decades of the existence of the church were within the synagogue. That would have been beyond belief if they (the followers) had boldly proclaimed the deity of Jesus."Is there any confirmation of this in the Bible, yes! If we were to read the Bible we would find that long after the departure of Jesus, his faithful followers continued to "keep up their daily attendance at the Temple" (Acts 2:46) It would be beyond belief to imagine that had Jesus indeed preached to his apostles that he was God, and if Jesus had indeed commanded them to forsake the commandments, that they would then disregard all of this and continue to worship in a Jewish synagogue on a daily basis, let alone the great Temple itself. It is further beyond belief that the Jews of the Temple would stand idly by and allow them to do this if they were preaching the total cancellation of the law of Moses and that Jesus was God. Can any Trinitarian Christian, even in their .. fantasies, imagine that the Jews in an orthodox Jewish synagogue would stand idly by while he took out his cross and prayed to Jesus in the midst of their synagogue and was publicly calling others to worship Jesus and forsake the commandments? How much more preposterous to imagine that they would have nothing to say to someone who did that in their most sacred of all synagogues, the Temple, on a daily basis yet. This is further evidence in support of the Qur'an, that Jesus only called his followers to a continuation of the religion of Moses and not by any means to the total cancellation and destruction of that law.'' Matthew 5.17: Do not think that I have come to abolish the law He came to fulfill them, no one of the past prophets talked about the trinity! Could a god liken himself to the prophets when he is saying that he came to fulfill which means to fulfill their job in conveying the message!Come on! Paul deceived you, don't believe him dear brother, be like the Jews,believe me he deceived you, I want you beside me in Paradise Let's read what Misha'al ibn Abdullah © said: Jesus (pbuh) was a very devout Jew. No Jew could ever raise a finger at him and say why do you not observe the Sabbath? Why do you eat pork? Indeed, it is the apostles of Jesus and not Jesus himself who are depicted in the NT as violating the law. The Bible tells us that Jesus (pbuh) departed never having eaten pork, never having violated the Sabbath… he followed the law of Moses to the letter. However, Paul's dreams have now legalized for all Christians that which Jesus (according to the Bible) died believing in. You will not find a single priest or evangelist who tells his Christian followers "to enter heaven, only keep the commandments" (as his "Lord" did). The vast majority of Christians today do not refrain from eating pork nor do they observe the Sabbath as their "Lord" did, and died doing. There are so many differences between Christians today and Jesus and his actions. Christians in general follow the commandments of Paul and others who are given the power to totally cancel out all of the commandments of both Moses and Jesus, and no Christian has any reservations whatsoever. Christianity is literally built around the premise that disciples of disciples, have the power to cancel the commandments of their prophets and even the law practiced by the alleged Son of God himself.Let us look at this matter a little closer. God commanded the Jews to observe a very disciplined dietary regimen. This is where the Jews get the word "Kosher" from. "Kosher" refers to all food that it is permissible for a Jew to eat. Among those food that God forbade upon all Jews was swine. For this reason we find that Jesus (pbuh) considered pigs such filthy and disgusting animals that not only did he never taste their flesh (incidentally, Muslims also live out their lives never having tasted a single swine), but he literally considered them so lowly that they were only fit as garbage dumps for devils. In Matthew 8:31-32 we read"So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.." However, shortly after Jesus' departure, Paul makes lawful all of the creatures of the earth "If any of them that believe not bid you [to a feast], and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake." 1 Corinthians 10:27In one tragic moment, Jesus' lifetime of restraint was casually swept under the carpet.Many people believe that the vision of Peter found in Acts was the primary factor in the cancellation of this fundamental law of the Jews. However, Christian scholars today are well aware that the writings of Paul are the oldest writings to be found in the Bible. They were written between 50-60 AD while even the four Gospels themselves were written decades later between 70-110 C.E. Secondly, the book of Acts (70-90 AD) although popularly considered to have been written by Paul, is now recognized to have been written by some unknown author(s) other than Paul but who was/were sympathetic to his cause.According to the Bible, Jesus (pbuh) spent his whole life in strict adherence to the commandments of the law of Moses (pbuh). He departed leaving his followers with the following words: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so,he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:17-19Paul's dreams, however, have broken commandments right and left. There is so much of what Jesus (pbuh) did during his lifetime that his followers have now totally neglected, not because Jesus (pbuh) told them to break the commandments, but because Paul would later tell them to break them upon the authority of the visions he was receiving.So, what we have concluded from the current view of Jesus' master plan is the following:I continue in other post… Yours Sincerely,Cat Stevens Note: Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!
Erasmus70 1) Jesus (pbuh) lived among his people for thirty three years showing them many miracles and teaching them to keep the commandments of Moses, to observe the Sabbath, to refrain from eating pork, to circumcise their children, to fast with the Jews, to worship in the synagogues, and so forth. He did not do this with his words alone but gave them an example in his own actions. Whenever he spoke about his miracles he claimed that he did them through "the finger of God" and that he "can of mine own self do nothing. " John 8.28 Whenever he spoke of worship he would say "worship the Father cat: not son or Holy Spirit" and not "worship me," "worship the Trinity," or "worship us." He also never said "I am a god." The term "son of God" was used by his people for many millennia before him to describe a devout servant of God and applied in the Bible to many prophets before him and even to common people. Further, God was understood by the people of his time to be the "Father" of all those who love him. 2) For three centuries after the departure of Jesus (pbuh), his apostles and their followers (excluding Paul and his followers) continued the tradition of Jesus (pbuh) as faithful Jews and followers of the law of Moses (pbuh). They practiced their worship in the synagogues of the Jews, they visited the Temple daily, and for all intents and purposes were indistinguishable from all other Jews except for the fact that they affirmed that Jesus (pbuh) was the promised Messiah, which many Jews did not (and still do not) accept. None of these people, not even Paul, had ever heard of a "Trinity." Jesus (pbuh) decided not to reveal his (and God's) "true" nature until three centuries after his departure. [Steven: Isaiah 45.17-22 [TEV=Today's English Version (TEV) or Good News Bible]:''…It is he who says, "I am the LORD, and there is no other god. I have not spoken in secret or kept my purpose hidden... I am the LORD, and I speak the truth; I make known what is right."] He decided that three centuries after his departure it would be time to come to the church and give them divine "inspiration" to "insert" verses in the Bible validating the "Trinity" (such as 1 John 5:7) . These "inspired" revelations from Jesus are documented by Christian historians to have been continuing at least up till the fifteenth century CE è [Steven: click and read this]... Jesus also "inspired" them to utterly destroy all Gospels written before this fourth century which did not teach this "true" nature of Jesus as being God. He further "inspired" the church to utterly destroy all ancient manuscripts written in the original Aramaic or Hebrew language of Jesus (pbuh) and the apostles. He "inspired" them that the Greek and Latin manuscripts would be amply sufficient. And finally, he "inspired" them to launch a massive campaign of "inquiry" to "cleanse" the earth of all remaining Unitarian Christians or convert them. 3) When Jesus (pbuh) departed, his followers continued to faithfully follow his example and observe the laws of Moses. Now Paul comes along and persecutes the followers of Jesus every way he knows how. He admits that: "For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it" Galatians 1:13 (also see Acts 7:58-60, 8:1-3) Now Jesus (pbuh) decides to bypass his apostles and go directly to the worst persecutor of his followers on earth in a "vision" and give him knowledge not available to the apostles. Paul now reveals that God holds all of mankind responsible for the sin of Adam (Romans 5:11-19, 1 Corinthians 15:22). God himself, however, claims long before Paul was ever born that "The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin" Deuteronomy 24:16. and "The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son" Ezekiel 18:20....etc. 4) Paul further revealed that Jesus came to him in visions and told him to nullify the commandments of God which he had spent thirty three years on earth upholding and teaching his followers to observe, and that these commandments "decayeth," were ready to "vanish away," and were a "curse" upon us. The only requirement in order to receive true salvation, according to Paul, is to believe in the original sin and the atonement. No actual work is necessary. This one belief is the only necessary and sufficient condition. However, Jesus departed not only never having violated the law of Moses but also having told his people that "till heaven and earth pass" whoever would dare to do so would be called "the least in the kingdom of God." Jesus (pbuh) was claimed to have been conditioned and prepared for "the atonement" from the beginning of time, however, whenever he was asked about the path to heaven he not only never mentioned any atonement but only (repeatedly) told his followers to "keep the commandments." Even when pressed for the path to perfection he only told his followers to sell their belongings. I continue in other post… Yours Sincerely, Cat Stevens Note: Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!
Continued… Erasmus70 5) Jesus never in his life saw fit to write a single inspired word. However, after he died, he started appearing to countless people in their dreams and visions and commanding them to write in his name and guiding their words. He did not see fit to guide their hands from writing conflicting versions of the same story since these contradictions were intended to strengthen a Christian's faith. 6) Since the only course to salvation is to accept the sacrifice of Jesus (pbuh) and the law of Moses is worthless, therefore, God did not see fit to allow those born before Jesus (pbuh) including countless previous prophets to enter heaven, but rather allowed them to remain stained with the sin of Adam and gave them a very strict and disciplined law that was totally useless and could never relieve them of this hereditary stain. These people shall never receive true salvation. Only those after Jesus (pbuh) will receive true salvation (Romans 3:28...etc.). let's remember and some important verses which tell us to keep the (law )(commandments)(Halal and Haram and kosher) i.e. Even if you will believe in Jesus as your savior who died on the cross isn't enough, because there is still a law you should follow it, according to your deeds you will be judged, he actually didn't come for this mission to die for the original sin or our sins no, his mission was like the other former prophets' missionè[Matthew 22: 36]Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and greatcommandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophetstry to understand.You don't have the right to corrupt my prophet's real teachings, I am his disciple so I will defend his teachings and this is the truth of his teachings ". . . They seeing, see not; and hearing, they hear not, neither do they understand" Matthew 13:13 I continue in other post… Yours Sincerely, Cat Stevens Note: Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!
Continued… Erasmus70 Do you know what does everlasting mean? Are you a circumcised guy or man? Paul claimed that circumcision was the circumcision of the heart. In his letter to the Romans 2:29, he wrote: '' He is a Jew who is one inwardly, and real circumcision is a matter of the heart, spiritual and not literal.'' In his letter to the Galatians 5:2, he wrote: '' Now I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you.'' this was Paul's deliberate false interpretation you are just like him, Don't understand the meaning of words, accordingly Paul doesn't understand the meaning of irrelevant too, if he is alive he will take off the topic all the time probably, you are his follower not Jesus follower my challenge, On the other hand, Jesus was not circumcised by the heart nor did he say anything about circumcision of the heart; he kept the '' everlasting covenant'' and was circumcised in the flesh. Thus, an important part of following the way of Jesus (Peace be upon him) is circumcision. See also Galatians 6:15, he wrote: '' neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is a new creation.'' Hey Paul, if you don't know what does it mean, it doesn't mean that it means nothing?? And isn't your job to say what counts is and what doesn't. Does that mean that the covenant between God and Abraham was vainly and futility? How dare ya!!! God repeated the word covenant several times . Check. Do you know what does covenant mean? Can you betray or break a covenant? Genesis: 11: You shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and you. Does foreskin mean heart? I thought it means fold of skin covering the end of the penis. If you want to keep fooling yourself, that's up to you, but you can't fool me, everything is clear just like the sun! Open your eyes, stop dreaming! Wake up, you are destroying Jesus teachings! Matthew; 21: 43: Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. Confidently, proudly, out loudly, we (the Muslims) are this nation, my challenge [John 12.44] Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.He isn't God, many people were sent by God (messengers). Briefly, Do not think that I have come to abolish the law Abolish: put an end to (something), Jesus said that, and it is so clear, I don't need your dictionary. Read post 9 and 10 again pls. (NASB)John 14.15: If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. (NLT) If you love me, obey my commandments (KJ21) If ye love Me, keep My commandments. John 16:7-8 (AMP) 7However, I am telling you nothing but the truth when I say it is profitable (good, expedient, advantageous) for you that I go away. Because if I do not go away, the Comforter … will not come to you …And when He comes, He will convict and convince the world and bring demonstration to it about sin and about righteousness (uprightness of heart and right standing with God) and about judgment: (WE) 8 When the Helper comes, he will prove this to the people of the world that they are wrong. They are wrong about what they call bad and about what they call good. He will show them how to be right with God. He will show them about God's judgment. (I nominate Prophet Muhammad pbuh) Quraan: "… That (mercy) I shall ordain for those who do right, and practice regular charity, and those who believe in Our signs;- "Those who follow the apostle, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); … So it is those who believe in him, honor him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper." Say (O Muhammad): "O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Apostle of Allah, to Whom belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth: there is no god but He: it is He That giveth both life and death. So believe in Allah and His Apostle, the Unlettered Prophet, who believeth in Allah and His words: follow him that (so) ye may be guided." Matthew 19.19: Jesus replied, " … do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother..." (John 2:1-5)"And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there: And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage. And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, they have no wine. Jesus saith unto her, 'Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.' His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it." He calls her "woman," and to rub more salt into the wound he is made to say "what have I to do with thee?" What connection is there between you and me, or what have I got to do with you? Could he have forgotten that this very "woman" had carried him for nine months, and perhaps suckled him for 2 years, and had borne endless insults and injuries on account of him? Is she not his mother? Is there no word in his language for "mother"? Muhammad, (pbuh), the Messenger of God, is made to absolve Jesus from the false charges and calumnies of his enemies. "And He (God Almighty) hath made me (Jesus)… kind to my mother, and not arrogant, unblest " (19:31). John: 16:7: But I tell you the truth: it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the counselor will not come to you; … He will honor me (MSG) Matthew 5.22: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Matthew 16:23: Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! Plus, I am not sure of the meaning of this: Matthew 8.2-4: A man with leprosy came and knelt before him and said, "Lord, if you are willing, you can make me clean." 3Jesus reached out his hand and touched the man. "I am willing," he said. "Be clean!" Immediately he was cured of his leprosy. 4Then Jesus said to him, "See that you don't tell anyone. But go, show yourself to the priest and offer the gift Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." 1- If he was god then it doesn’t need to describe him as a sinless!! Because God worship nothing so he will disobey whom to be a sinner or obey whom to be sinless? This adjective should refer only to the humans (creators who worship their creator the God) 2- you may tell me that while he is in the human figure then he isn't God or he is God and Human in the same time or sometimes he is human and sometimes he is God but he is God or whatsoever, if he is God but in the Human figure he still God anyway because if I am a male and my name is Stevens but I changed my gender to a female, I still Stevens even if I changed my gender, I still have the same soul, brain and thoughts, memories, blood etc I continue in other post… Yours Sincerely, Cat Stevens Note: Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!
Continued… Erasmus70 A- Q: Christian scholars today are well aware that the writings of Paul are the oldest writings to be found in the Bible. They were written between 50-60 AD while even the four Gospels themselves were written decades later between 70-110 C.E. B- Q: Any discussion about Christianity and its beliefs and practices cannot be complete without an examination of the influence of Paul. Christian Bible scholars unanimously admit that the formulation of what is now known as Christianity did not begin with Jesus but with Paul. Every Bible produced contains more writings from Paul than anyone. In fact, all of the books written by Paul in the Bible were written before any of the four gospels. This is a very important fact. Does the layman Christian reflect on the radical differences between the teachings of Jesus and the writings of Paul? The gospels were written at a time when Paul’s ideas had already begun to take hold among the ‘gentiles’. C- According to A and B the bible was written after Jesus' ascension so I think they (Gospels' writers or scribes) were influenced by Paul's teaching and conceptions before writing the bible probably! I think some of the NT events and words were made up and changed deliberately just to fit them with Paul's teachings! Read [1 John 5:7] then click and read this. Erasmus: …no condemnation or penalty for breaking any Laws It is known that Paul canceled the Law not Jesus (I already explained that in posts 9 and 10 refer to them if you forgot what I wrote there), Jesus didn't came to abolish the Law (the Law of Moses and Torah) and you know according to The Torah there are punishments, condemnation and penalty for breaking Laws, and the Jews knew that very well, That's why you read in John 8.4:…Teacher, this woman caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such woman. Now what do you say? Jesus told her: Go now and leave your life of sin, è if her sin was forgiven this time it doesn't mean that she won't be punished next time! I know what you may comment on this, don’t really waste your time with me in such discussion. ''See below for a reproduction of the Bible page and note that John chapter 8, begins with verse 12. Can you imagine any chapter in any religious Book beginning with verse 12 as the first verse? Verses 1 to 11 are expunged as a fabrication by the 32 Christian Scholars of the highest eminence, backed by 50 co-operating denominations in their "Most up-to-date Version of the Bible"— the R.S.V.( R.S.V. stands for Revised Standard Version, first published in 1952. The translators claimed to have had access to the "Most Ancient Manuscripts" from which they learnt that the story about the adulteress was a fabrication)'' But what I concluded from this, that the scribes were influenced by Paul's teachings! But when they wrote that the Jews said: In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such woman that points that they knew that the Law wasn't abolished or canceled by Jesus, they add that Jesus forgave here to fit it with Paul's claim regarding sins and Law, that's why they made up all this, But NAY, I am smarter than those liar scribes. Thumps up! (WE) Matthew 11.11: I tell you the truth. No one has ever been born who is greater than John the Baptizer which means John is greater than Jesus No, I won't ask such question, because he had never acted like God. He knows himself very well, he knows who is he. (WE) Matthew 11.11: I tell you the truth. No one has ever been born who is greater than John the Baptizer I can understand something else, I believe that John the Baptist knew that Jesus was the Messiah, accordingly, let's read [John 1.24-29] Now some Pharisees who had been sent questioned him, "Why then do you baptize if you are not the Christ, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?" "I baptize with water," John replied, "but among you stands one you do not know. He is the one who comes after me, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie." This all happened at Bethany on the other side of the Jordan, where John was baptizing. The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him Well, after reading the above verses As I said: John the Baptist knows that Jesus (pbuh) is the Messiah. And Jesus first Miracle wasn't John 2, let's read John 10.22: Then came the Feast of Dedication at Jerusalem. It was winter, and Jesus was in the temple area walking in Solomon's Colonnade. The Jews gathered around him, saying, "How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly." Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me According to Islam and some old biblical manuscripts, Jesus performed miracles when he was baby! I.e. Jesus declared his prophethood since he was baby, accordingly people knew Jesus, when John said: "but among you stands one you do not know. è Probably this is an made up they already knew him, keep reading, He is the one who comes after me è after his departure, Jesus was with him in the same time! the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie."è I read that Jesus wasn't wearing any sandals! His feet were bare, Ok, ignore this one, keep reading, The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him/ The next dayè how old was Jesus in the next day! Of course they know Jesus by his miracles since he was child!! "but among you stands one you do not knowè fabrication probably, because they know him! He is the one who comes after me? Who is the Prophet after John and Jesus? Muhammad =) Congratulations prophet Muhammad (pbuh) for such status and honor. Well, So this settles any debate now. Muhammad goes on to become the Greatest among mankind. I continue in other post… Yours Sincerely, Cat Stevens Note: Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!
Continued… Erasmus70 and it became clearer after my above posts. *sigh* why are people like this Isn't me, it is the Christian channels and websites, they are lying concerning Islam, I have my documents, I watch Christians channels, tell them to stop lying. This is the truth my dear brother, someday you will know this, I promise, if not here in hereafter. Again I promise, I swear by Allah. Which verse you are talking about exactly. !!! Many Christian scholars say this too; do you want me to write a thread about that? How do you consider a scripture corrupted? Erasmus, peace and love Yours Sincerely,Cat Stevens Note: Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!
