Where did everything come from?What is the proof? Big Bang

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Hi everyone, I hope you are all fine and happy today and everyday, Amen =)
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Where did everything come from?
What is the proof? ​

By: Yusuf Estes ( A Chritsian preacher formerly click on his name to read his embrace story)​

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There is a popular theory referred to as the 'Big Bang' theory. It tries to explain the existence of the universe in an evolutionary manner having an initial beginning with an immense explosion of some gases or solid mass. Some say there first was a void or a 'nothingness', or perhaps, some gases which exploded then from this everything in the universe simply began to evolve to the stage that we see now. There has never really been any solid evidence for this idea of 'something out of nothing' concept. Nor for that matter, the evolutionary theory itself.
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We would like to explore the idea of creation from a purely logical standpoint using simple terminology without religious hype, emotional pre-convictions or superstitions.​

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What if someone called a 'scientist' tells you his 'theory' of how cars are made is like this:​

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A salvage yard on the south side of town blows up and all the metal pieces fly into the air and fall back down in one place forming a brand new Chevrolet Caprice automobile . . with no left over parts . . and the motor is running . .​

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Or what if his theory for how a chair is made is:​

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An explosion occurs in a forest and the trees go flying into the air and then suddenly they combine with some flying cloth to make a beautiful chair . . . and then it lands in a furniture showroom complete with matching table and lamp . . .​

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He further explains that:​

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An earthquake in California's 'Silicon Valley' causes the computer chips and circuit boards and other various parts to fall out of their boxes and off of their shelves and just come in place together as they are rolling around on the floor and form the most advanced technical computers existing on the earth? . . .​

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Or what of his 'Medicine Theory'? He now claims that:​

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A gas leak in a pharmacy warehouse causes a terrific explosion. All the different chemicals and substances just smash into each other in exactly the correct amounts to produce a miracle drug which cures everything form cancer to heart and liver disease, old age and warts? . . .​

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Wait . . . there's more to this one:​

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It is all in one formula, packaged in the bottles with labels and ready to sell with no mess left on the floor? . . .​

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Now after all this exploding and excitement this 'scientist' tells you of a great place to relax and have something to eat. It is his favorite place and he calls it: "Burger Blast"!
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You just go in and sit down and suddenly a 'blast' from the kitchen occurs and immediately a burger lands right in front of you with all the trimmings.. just the way you like it complete with fries, a drink and even your favorite dessert? . . .​

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No one works at "Burger Blast", it just runs itself, automatically cleaning itself and as you leave it scans your billfold for a valid credit card and charges your bank account for what you have eaten? . . .​

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Now the question is: "Are you really going to accept any of this as 'fact'?
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Of course not!
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We wouldn't believe a new car is made from flying junk; chairs don't fall down from exploding trees; earthquakes do not produce computers and blasting burgers don't rain down on us from above.​

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Question: So how come we don't challenge a theory of something coming from nothing and then colliding in the cosmos to make the universe? Is it because of its tremendous magnitude that we have so little comprehension about it, that we are willing to accept any theory from a few telescope 'peeping Toms' to tell us that it came from 'nothingness'? Or just some gases colliding and then. . . 'Poof'!? Instant Universe? How?
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Let us now come to our main subject: ​

I continue in other post...​

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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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Creation or Explosion?​

We can turn our attention to the earth and the heavens and make observations on our own without a 'genius' scientist telling us what we are seeing.
And then the idea that nothing is sustaining the heavens and the earth! - 'It just runs itself'? How?

Think about the stars, the sun, the moon and the countless solar systems and galaxies in the universe.
Who or What created them in the first place?
They continue to function and move with the utmost precision and accuracy.
Who does this? Who keeps them gliding along on their courses and orbits preordained for them?
The Qur'an on the Origin of the Universe

Look closer to the heaven surrounding the earth. We call it the 'sky'. Notice the clouds? What are they?
The Qur'an on Clouds

Let us now bring our gaze a bit closer to earth. Consider the mountains and their majesty. Is there anything about these massive formations that may give us a clue as to the origin of creation?
The Qur'an on Mountains

What about the water covering the earth? Is there another clue hiding beneath the seas?
The Qur'an on Deep Seas and Internal Waves

Water covers so much of the earth and even mixes with the land in rivers and streams. Yet is there something keeping it from mixing with itself? What is contained in this mystery of separation of waters?
The Qur'an on Seas and Rivers

What about us? Are we are part of creation? How did we begin? What develops us and causes us to live and die? How are we sustained?
The Qur'an on Human Embryonic Development

Think about the humans. How did we all get here? What is the nature of mankind? What causes us to act as we do? Are we ungrateful to the One who created us and sustains us? What is this clue? Think about yourself. Did you create yourself?
The Qur'an on the Cerebrum (forehead area of the brain in humans)

Who or What created all this? Who is sustaining everything? How do organisms reproduce themselves? How can a tree grow up out of a seed?

Qurann:'' were they created from nothing or did they create themselves. Or did they create the heavens and earth? Nay, but they have no firm belief.''

Logic and reason is used to convince humans that there must be a Creator. Allah gives the three logical possibilities for human creation in these verses.​

A) Human were created from nothing or by nothing. This proposal violates basic reason. Something cannot come from nothing. Nothing cannot create something.​

B) Humans created themselves. This is also an illogical and contradictory proposition. To create one's self, one must already exist. But to be created one must first not exist.​

C) Humans were created by something already created. This implies in infinite regression of causes which ultimately means that humans do not exist. If C1 were caused by C2, and C2 by C3 to CN, then C1 cannot exist unless C2 does, etc. And CN means that it has no beginning. Consequently, C1 cannot exist. In other words, if human existence is preceded by an infinite amount of causes requiring an infinite amount of time to take place, it is the same as saying that they will never take place. Human existence thus becomes impossible. The Greek philosopher Aristotle argued similarly that the infinite regression of the cause and effect chain was impossible.​

The only remaining possibility is that humans and other created things were created by a being which is not itself created.​

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Quraan: This is the creation of Allah. So show Me that which those (whom you worship) besides Him have created...​

Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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Quraan: This is the creation of Allah. So show Me that which those (whom you worship) besides Him have created...​

Note: Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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what is the "proof" "everything" has to have "come from" anywhere?

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Something cannot come from nothing.Nothing cannot create something.If C1 were caused by C2, and C2 by C3 to CN, then C1 cannot exist unless C2 does, etc. And CN means that it has no beginning. Consequently, C1 cannot exist. In other words, if human existence is preceded by an infinite amount of causes requiring an infinite amount of time to take place, it is the same as saying that they will never take place. Human existence thus becomes impossible.
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Allah [Quraan: 52:35-36] '' were they created from nothing or did they create themselves. Or did they create the heavens and earth? Nay, but they have no firm belief.'' ​

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Note: Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!​

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Yours Sincerely,​

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Cat Stevens​

 

this is certainly a sensible policy. i do not consider the questions i raised silly or irrelevant but DIRECTLY relevant to the discussion at hand.

as for your beliefs, i had no idea what they were, and was making NO assumptions about them.

nor do i see your response as an entirely objective answer to them,
but as one you are perfectly welcome to believe if you so wish.
(total objectivity would only be neccessary if you were claiming it)

i appologise if you take them as an offense. they were NOT ment to be.

that "something cannot come from nothing" is a statement, not a proof.
the implied assumtion of a beggining being de regor required, is not proven
either, and it was THAT i was questioning.

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Oh man, you totally lost me, I post this note in my replys, some times I forget to post it, and here are some examples Click and Click and Here there are many others, I am doing this because if you will take a look at my threads you will find so many silly responses and totally irrelevant.
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Ops!!! gotta go, I will write you a reply as soon as possible,
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See ya
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Peace and love
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Note: Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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What or who created Allah?
Or is what you are claiming here is that Allah has not yet been created?

It's an endless ribbon. You can't prove anything, or find anything that will prevent us from destroying this creation.
Regardless who or what you believe created 'it'.

 

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I don't know if you read my entire thread, it is in three posts. I want to know what your belief is so I can understand you more, and whenever you comment on something please quote it.
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Myself, I think you have to believe in a God in the first place, and when you believe in a God you must have evidences or something which make you believe that he is the true God, so then you have to search what does that God which you believed in say about how did he exist? I don't know what your belief is?
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Note: Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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i have stated many times in this forum what my hearfelt feeling and belief is. it does not have a name, or fallowers who identify themselves with that name. it does not begin and end with what anyone may have stated or believed, or at least if they have, not because of their having done so.

to put it as simply as i can, i believe in diversity being the nature of existence. that IF there is an all powerful god, it exists NOT because anything else could not or would not without it, but because it bloody damd well feels like doing so.

there are many innocent 'spirits/ghosties/nontangable beings'. the only real 'demon' is the collective effect of our individual thoughtlessnessess.

i also do not see how anyone can expect what they believe to be greater then themselves to begin and end with what they think they know about it, something organized monothiests both do and deny doing at the same time.

i DO know SOMEthing exists. i have been in its presence and could not deny its existence if i wanted to.

whenever i am alone i am in its presence. only being with other people, whehter at home, at work or in places of religeous gathering distracts me from being ever conscouse of its existence.

yet nothing in my experience of that presence bears the slightest resemblence to the teachings of any belief, neither as a good thing nor as a not good one.

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First of all, Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts and belief, I do appreciate strongly and deeply ​

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that "something cannot come from nothing" is a statement, not a proof.
the implied assumtion of a beggining being de regor required, is not proven
either, and it was THAT i was questioning.
So what do you think? how did we exist? you may say, isn't big deal, I don't know, but there are people like Muslims, Christians, Jews etc are claiming that there is a God, and eternal life after this life (Hell-Paradise)? what if they are claiming the truth, or regardless of this, have you ever asked yourself if there is a God? why did he create us? what does he want? to follow a scripture of his or just to enjoy the life, I think it is a big deal, regarding your belief , do you think it is the truth i.e. do you have a confirmed belief which is supported with proofs (logical proofs)?​

Peace and love​

Note: Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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what if they are like the six blind men and the elephant. they all know something exists. with totaly misleading perceptions of the whole.

nothing in nature requires our own species to exist and yet we do.
if we can exist without having to then certainly nontangable forces and beings can as well.

but i don't believe belief is any more reasonable or likely to be at comprehending the true nature of any of this.

how can there not be something about which no one knows anything?

today's concepts of hell/paradise do not even come from the sacred writings themselves, but from someone attempting to satire the excessess of tenth century christianity.

again however popular an assumption becomes, however widely shaired, it is still speculation and assumption.

and again i ask, if we believe in something that is greater then ourselves, if we truely believe it to be, how can we possibly expect it to begin and end with what ANYone or any several or any zillions upon zillions of us, think we know about it?

i see no requirement for an afterlife TO RESEMBLE ANYTHING that is believed about it. nor for anything nontangable, byond the ways in which it reveals itself to open minded inquiry, to do so either.

as for inimical and hostile spirits, ask yourself how long you think we'd exist if anything greater then ourselves both knew of our existence and wished us any particular harm? would we ever have existed in the first place? would we be here to have this discussion?

no, i see no reason to disbelieve in the possible existence of all sorts of things and equally none to expect them to bear the slightest resemblance to anything anyone has choosen to believe about them.

when i open my eyes and avoid the self deceptions that motivate us on everyside, what do i see?

i see diversity. a diversity that does nothing to prevent the existence of anything. it differs observably from grey noise chaos only in this degree: that somethings happen more often then others and some things happen more often when other things happen first.

this alone makes it possible for us to avoid contributing to the causing of suffering and harm. but it is still up to us to learn how to do so. mearly not intending to is not sufficient. and neither is the 'cook book' approach, better then nothing for those who adamantly refuse to do their own thinking but still far from an adiquite substitute for it.

i believe the revealers of organized beliefs honstly and sincerely wished us well. honestly and sincerly believed themselves and their words to be what they claimed them to be. but i don't believe ANY of them were infallable.

i take with a grain of salt that even a god would have to be.

diversity is my witness to many things.

a heavin can exist without a god, but only if it's occupants lack the power to inadvertantly destroy it by their thoughtlessness, or have learned how themselves to avoid doing so, can any heaving long remain one.

and if we were to learn that lesson, of HOW to avoid causing suffering and harm, even our tangable earth would be like that paradise.

punishment and reward do not require designated real estate. nor a directing hand of judgement. only the built in principal of causality, which is not limited to awairness.

if i had not asked myself if there is a god would we be having this conversation?

i think that falls into your silliness catagory. perhapse it was intended as humor.

i asked and did more then ask. more then ask my parents, or the village wise men, or the books of belief, i went out in the forrest and asked the rocks and the trees, the little furry creatures and the little spirit that lives down by the creek.

and you know what they 'told me'? the same as i am repeating now. that whatever it is that people think they know they are talking about by calling it god, is something about which no one knows anything other then that it wishes us no harm.

and believe it or not, i find it quite comforting for this to be the case.

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Now this is a question, what if they are…so check up on the matter, maybe they aren't like the six blind men and the elephant, maybe they know without misleading perceptions, ask them or check their proofs, are they really proofs (logical) or illogical?​

We'll be one, (maybe I lost your question)​

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Do you think we or he or it wished us any particular harm?​

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No dude, you lost me, I meant, there is a difference, many people don't give a real research and time for this matter, a mere question doesn't make any sense, such question should lead you to a journey of finding out the answer, it really doesn't matter if it will take years, because it really deserves it, and in such journey we should be patient, don't give up fast and to be objective.Some people just read theories and assumptions from those who they like their belief and read their proofs and it is enough for them! They don't give the other beliefs a chance.​

Or they don't like to read about the opposite belief of their in details! Myself I read about my belief from Muslims and non-Muslims, I read what the critics say about my belief, why they think it isn't the religion of God etc.​

It is important to go to those who claim that they have the logical, evident answer which is supported with proofs, not to anyone we choose who may don't convince us or not informed enough or don't know how to prove it by words or whatever, I don't mean that the people who you asked them have no idea, I am saying that if your belief isn't logical or isn't supported with evidences or when you cannot prove it that it is right or you aren't confirmedly believe it is true 100% without any doubts, you have doubts, then it is better to ask again and again till you reach the truth, no matter what it is.​

Thank you very much for sharing, may Allah bless you,​

My deepest sincere best wishes​

Peace and love​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

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The first post was misleading. Equating evolution to a single random event producing incredible complexity is not accurate. If you're at a burger place that makes burgers by blowing up the contents of the kitchen, then chances are not good for you getting a burger. However, if you equate one explosion of the kitchen with one mutation, and you sit there for a REALLY long time, you'll get a burger eventually. If the process is random, it will happen. The rest of the examples are so far out there that I can't even really correct them. But if you understand the chemistry, physics, and biology associated with evolution, it becomes clear that it HAD to happen. Even if we were created by god or allah and the earth is young (I'm not familiar with muslim creation theory - is it similar to christianity's?), then evolution has happened, and will happen. If we were back 4.6 billion years ago when the earth was being formed, we could say with certainty that it would happen.

 

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Myself, I think the evolution theory is a joke of science and misleading. Read it by yourself.
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Regardless of single random, even if it will be billions random events it will never produce something like this, my challenge.
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Oh! Come on! You're kidding? Oh, Come on!!!!!!!! I can't believe this? *If you will spill three different colors in a white paper you will never have a picture for Wales' flowers! Or a picture of London's street! Even if you will sit there for zillions centuries!! Take for example the Puzzle [game or toy that has a lot of pieces that you have to fit together] or the Jigsaw puzzle [a picture cut up into many pieces] would you believe me if I will tell you that a wind or something fitted these pieces together? Something which doesn't have a brain to think where it should put each piece!! Impossible, there is someone who arranged your body's organs and nerves and gave them their functions. *Look to your self and body it is too complicated and there are countless nerves in your body which each nerve linked to an organ and have its function! Is that happened by chance by evolution? if we will assume that the human was the first being for example who suited his teeth to eat? Who linked each nerve with a specific organ? Who? the nothingness or the randomness which cannot think of the purpose of doing such things like teeth to eat, ears to hear etc. when the human has two holes in his nose to breath, it is happened by chance?, why human have digestive system, it was this by chance??? Why there is a link between the digestive system and the urinary system, by chance? Why there is a pipe which delivers what you ate to your stomach by chance? Why you have teeth, was it a decoration? Impossible, there must be someone who formed each creature, who made this magnificent system in the creatures of eating, breathing etc Quraan: 51:20: And on earth are signs (Signs of the existence of God) for those who have faith with certainly.21: And also in your ownselves. Will you not then see?
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*How by the evolution or by an explosion or by a chance or whatever these well-arranged creatures appeared? The complex is in their selves and how things work in them. It is really amazing! How human imagine things (daydreams/ imagination/ dreams etc) how human can travel to other places and feel pain in the dreams while he is in the bed in one place?! What a brain we have by chance!!!!. Our brain (memory) is a library Archie for the nice past memories and our information saved in our memory our brain is (a memory card) we can imagine things too wow Quraan: 12: 105: And how many a sign in the heavens and earth they pass by, while they are averse there from (i.e. yet they turn away from them).
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Regardless of what I've said, tell me, how did the first object exist? Please a logical answer, something cannot come from nothing. Nothing cannot create something.If C1 were caused by C2, and C2 by C3 to CN, then C1 cannot exist unless C2 does, etc. And CN means that it has no beginning. Consequently, C1 cannot exist. In other words, if human existence is preceded by an infinite amount of causes requiring an infinite amount of time to take place, it is the same as saying that they will never take place. Human existence thus becomes impossible. Give me real proofs.
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This is the evolution theory in other words.
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Again The same important question appear, how did the first object exist? Something cannot come from nothing. Quraan: … Say: Bring your proof, if ye are truthful! I did my precious Lord
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Currently it doesn't matter to which one you are familiar with, the matter is, is there a God? That's it for now and beginning. If I invented something I don't accept that people will say that someone else invented it? The creator of universe already proclaimed that he did so, otherwise give your logical proof that he didn't do so, [Quraan: 52:35-36] '' were they created from nothing or did they create themselves. Or did they create the heavens and earth? Nay, but they have no firm belief.''
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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Note: Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!
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The creator and the creation are one, there is no seperation between subject and object... all in time/space is one consciousness, all beyond time/space is one consciousness.

This conclusion comes from examing the anthromorphic coicidences, quantum mechanics, mystical revelations found in all religions, and my own self-inquiry...

Go within and you will see your oneness with Allah.

"so wherever you turn (yourselves or your faces) there is the Face of Allah (and He is High above, over His Throne)" from the Quraan

In other words, the one consciousness is everywhere on the earth, no matter where you turn your eyes... thus everywhere in time and space... Yet it is also in the "throne" which symbolizes the transendant realm beyond time and space.


[قَدْ نَرَى تَقَلُّبَ وَجْهِكَ فِي السَّمَآءِ]
Can ya dig?


The sufis would agree! They are the Islamic sect that is true to the loving uniting spirit of Allah.

Sufi poems

'The Beauty of Oneness'

Any eye filled with the vision of this world
cannot see the attributes of the Hereafter,
Any eye filled with the attributes of the Hereafter
would be deprived of the Beauty (Jamal) of (Divine) Oneness.

Sheikh Ansari - Kashf al_Asrar, Vol. 7, p. 511 - 'Maqulat-o Andarz-ha - Sayings and Advice' - A.G. Farhadi


Those who have not realized God will wander,
homeless in this world, destitute in the next.
But watch the lovers dance with ecstasy,
as they merge into the oneness of God [Allah].
Sultan Bahu, translated by J.R. Puri and K.S. Khak

The Lord is an ocean of oneness
in which lovers swim as they please, free of care.
In their own turn, they appear in the world
to dive deep into that ocean, to gather pearls.
Among the pearls is a gem --
unique in value, unmatched in lustre --
that shines like the moon.
We are all in the employ of the Lord, O Bahu;
let us pay homage to him through our prayers.
Sultan Bahu, translated by J.R. Puri and K.S. Khak


It is the dark side of Islam that spreads the lies about seperation (a seperate creator, which denies oneness with allah), spiritual eltism (our path is the best to god), religious fundemenatalism(the holy book is literal), and anti-sufi doctorines(put the sufis in jail they are not true muslims). And then there is the violence, the jihad and the other tragic evils of Islam...


Yusuf Islam (cat stevens) is quoted here using Sufi words to make a point... an obvious sympathizer to the sufis.

"There's a Sufi saying," he says, "that the Muslims wear mink with the fur on the inside. What you see is the rough, outer texture, not the softness, but we want to increase the capacity to show the Muslim kind of love and harmony. I'm consciously creating a new genre of alternative music for people who want to satisfy the part that needs to sing, and balance it with a moral message so you can enjoy something good.".

 

"Fight masses of the enemy as if they were one man, and deal with one enemy as if he were many; this is the way you must do battle. Move in such a way that without openings [suki] you make one principle fit the myriad of possibilities."

Ueshiba Morihei Sensei

 

I know evolution well.

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Wrong. Take this for example. This theory (fact of probability) states that any way you choose to convert digits of pi into pictures, 3d matrices, sounds, or whatever, they will eventually produce every imaginable situation in that media. Every possible location of every atom in the universe at every time is encoded in pi, because pi is random and infinite. ​

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The metaphors given are not good, I was doing the best I could to work with it. But none of these things are impossible. You are trying to think of the least likely occurance possible to compare to evolution so that evolution will seem impossible. But these events are merely improbable. Given a wind a minute for a billion or a trillion years, and it will arrange the puzzle. Evolution is not that complicated though. Obviously lightning did not strike the ground and create flesh and bone and nerves and cartilage and blood and all the workings of a human being. All it did was create a bunch of organic molecules. A couple amino acids here, some hydrocarbons there, but after a couple million years, they build up. The likelyhood of one hitting another in just the right way or being combined by an outside energy force (lightning, the sun) increases. All you need to initiate the process of evolution is a molecule that can replicate. Whether that counts as alive or not doesn't matter. Whether it is a cell or a small blob of membrane with some amino acids inside makes no difference. If it replicates, its numbers will increase exponentially, much faster than the stage to get to that level, and mistakes will occur in replication once or twice per hundred or thousand replications, and those may result in new replicating molecules or they may just "die" and be reinserted into the outside environment. From there, everything has occured in steps. There are more primative forms of everything in our body. A more advanced form works better, and increases the chances of replication over primative forms, and that's really all evolution is.
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I don't know how the first object existed. The big band occured. I don't know why or how or what went on before that, but I don't discount theories of god. I just don't give them any special attention, because that is more of a guess than scientific speculations. ​

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No. The theory of evolution is fairly simple. These metaphors you gave are inaccurate metaphors, and are not comparable to evolution.
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I don't know, you don't know, nobody knows, unless there is an omniscient god, then only god knows. Evolution doesn't require something coming from nothing, as there is already a system of compounds and solutions present, and influx of energy in the form of lightning and sunlight provides everything needed.
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That's bad logic. I say I invented the universe and challenge you to prove me wrong. It is no more doable that what you ask. You're taking the word of a book. At best, you're taking the word of a man entrusted with the words of a supernatural being. You ask for no proof from him, so why me?
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Give me proofs, please, logical proofs or theories, or one logical theory.​

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Nobody has the right to interpret Quraan as he wishes, and if the interpretation of this verse is as you think then it totally contradicts with the Islamic teachings and Quraan itself, however, I consider this irrelevant, forget that I am a Muslim, and prove to me your claim about where did everything come from? With a logical theory, consider me a non-Muslim; give me an answer which all people no matter what their beliefs are will accept it. Really nice to see Arabic words here in this forum, especially the words of Allah ​

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Again irrelevant, but I'd like to say: Islam is based on what? What is the main pillar? Quraan, Quraan doesn't say such thing; this is another religion with the same name i.e. Innovation, this isn't Islam, nor Prophet Muhammad the messenger of Islam has ever uttered such conception.​

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According to Islam and Allah, not the best but the only path.​

Other tragic evil of Muslims not Islam, not every Muslim practices Islam.​

Again irrelevant, BTW: there are many sects of Sufism, read more; I have so many books about it. And isn't every saying of Sufism unacceptable as long as it doesn't disagree with the Islamic teachings and Quraan etc.​

However, as I said: forget that I am a Muslim, and prove to me your claim about where did everything come from? With a logical theory, consider me a non-Muslim; give me an answer which all people no matter what their beliefs are will accept it.​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

Note: Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!​

 

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Is it randomness that made it? I can't see this answer here? Again, you have to answer this question in the first place: Where did everything come from? What is the proof?è Which is the title of my thread, Then give me such theories which talk about how it then becomes in this figure or form or whatever eventually. How did the first atom exist? Where did it come from? In other words, you said: if you equate one explosion of the kitchen with one mutation, and you sit there for a REALLY long time, you'll get a burger eventually. If the process is random, it will happen. è I.e. before the random process there must be something or objects which the random process will form it gradually, that something or objects how did they exist? You get what I mean? If I have three liquid colors and a peace of paper and I will leave it this way, would it produce any thing? There must be someone to move and hold the colors to start painting! But before this (painting-process) I must have the colors? Otherwise, I will move nothing!!!! Nor produce anything? Because I have nothing to work or treat or deal with or to use? So, accordingly, before the random process there must be something or objects which the random process will form it gradually, that something or objects how did they exist?
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And of course we should ask how did this wind exist? Where did it come from? Who is moving it or making it move, and how etc.
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It is the evolution theory in other words, i.e. if the metaphors as you call it is not good then the theory is not good.
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Where did this bunch of organic molecules, A couple amino acids, some hydrocarbons come from? Who created them, who created the first atom? How did it exist? how did the gravity exist to move an atom towards another (to move the atoms towards each other)?
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Who created the first atom or molecule? How did it exist? Whether that counts as alive or not doesn't matter. Whether it is a cell or a small blob of membrane with some amino acids inside makes no difference.
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May Allah bless your tongue, this is what I meant when I said: you have to answer this question in the first place: Where did everything come from? What is the proof?Then give me such theories which talk about how it then becomes in this figure or form or whatever eventually. I don't want such theories because as I said:
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If I have three liquid colors and a peace of paper and I will leave it this way, would it produce any thing? There must be someone to move and hold the colors to start painting! But before this (painting-process) I must have the colors? Otherwise, I will move nothing!!!! Nor produce anything? Because I have nothing to work or treat or deal with or to use? So, accordingly, before the random process there must be something or objects which the random process will form it gradually, that something or objects how did they exist? This is my question and Allah's question, because, something cannot come from nothing. Nothing cannot create something.[Quraan: 52:35-36] '' Were they created from nothing … Nay, but they have no firm belief.''
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I continue in other post.
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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Note: Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!
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