The :Words not in the Bible: so stfu already thread.

Abortion - (I know it's bad), but point of this thread, not in the bible
Purgatory - not there, some believe it cuz of refrenceing, some believe abortion is there cuz of refrencing too
masturbation - yeah it's bad? where?



these are all i can think of at the top of my head,
pls add more if you know of any

 

Yes and no.
People dont like that answer or they think it means its vague but really its by 'Implication'.
For example: David is refered to as a human being, a person while still inside his mothers womb.
(theres some other passages I cant recall now)

The point being, Biblically a fetus is recognised as a real living person.

Murder being forbidden.

The whole 'abortion debate' really comes down to that anyways. If you believe that its a living human being - thats the end of the controversy for you.
Christians can confirm that in the Bible.

Yeah, that is a weird one. I think something can be referenced in the 'Apocryphal' book of Maccabees and even then its a really... its something you have to 'read into it' and its a dodgy bit of theory at best.

Agreed. I think your Abortion issue is a pretty clear implication and direct reference.
'Purgatory' seems downright elusive and its almost up to your imagination.. not to mention railing against other more clear and coherant teachings otherwise.

There is no reference to it as being 'bad' although lustful thinking is considered something 'bad'.
In the Old Testament, there was an incident where a man named Onan was to procreate with a woman.
Rather than carry it out, he 'spilled his seed' on the ground.
Dumb people had once gotten confused and figured Onan had sinned 'because he masterbated'.
Ok.. well he sinned by what he did NOT do.

The Trinity
The Rapture

 

Cat

Cats aren't mentioned in the Bible.

 

hehe

 

but also doesn't it say "The Breath of Life" somewhere, meaning life doesn't start untill you take a breath.


And about Abortion and purgatory

it's saying like "Don't murder" (that means abortion!!)
and then "Sent to a place to cleanse your soul and then see ur savoir" or something " (this cannot be purgatory??!)

right?

 

nvm this all confusing me now

 

One way to look at it: It forbids murder but it doesnt actually say 'teenager' or it does actually say 'Toddler' or 'Senior citizens' or there is no where it says anything about killing mentally retarded people.

If you can accept that a person in the fetus stage of life is also a living human being and a 'person' then your Bible most defintely does forbid it.

The pergutory thing.. thats a baffling one to me as well. I had read some of the verses the proponents like to cite but... it seems to me like you need to get into a very 'conceptual' frame of mind and maybe, kinda, sorta you could see something like it.
Thats probably why it never really took off.

 

This is a good thread.

I have something (a question) to add ...

What about the whole murder vs. killing thing?

What do you think is the correct interpretation?

 

Not directly. Abortions weren't really a common thing, even though there were abortion-inducing concoctions as early as 2600 BC. Let's just call it "newer technology" that the Israelites may not have been too knowledgable of yet... LOL.

But it's considered murder (as opposed to righteous killing, like Hikky referenced), since G-d "knew us before we were formed" & Christians believe that we only have one lifetime, a brand new life cannot have any responsibility for any action, therefore its murder can't be righteous or justified... Not directly there, but that's why Christians believe it.

No, this one is B.S. LOL. To be absent in the body is to be present with the L-rd. (2 Corinthians 5:8). There's not any scriptural proof for it, but do I think it might be so...? Absolutely. Why? One day every tongue will confess the truth. (Phileppians 2:10-11) This leads some to believe that one day, *all* will be saved.

ROFL! You should read the embarrassing story of Onan, who got caught wacking off when he was supposed to be impregnating his brother. I won't post it here, it's funny enough to look up on your own.

http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Genesis+38&version=31

Now, I personally think that Onan's Sin was disobeying a direct order from G-d, not masturbating, but this is what most people reference when these questions are asked... Poor Onan. Can you imagine being caught wacking off by G-d??? :&

That's a fantastic question for thought...! I think I will say that I'm not necessarily an absolute pacifist - I believe in self-defense - But since I'm a Christian (not of the Literalist, Fundamentalist brand), I believe that Christ came to taste death for every man, regardless of his crime.

To me, it seems to easy just to allow a murderer to die. One must live in order to carry out repentance... I'm not necessarily talking in the Christian sense. I'm more talking in the sense of assisting others to live, even as we've taken life away....Haven't we all been guilty of impeding upon (in some fashion or another) someone else's ability to live?

 

If you want to take a really cynical and "down-beat" approach to the "one day every tounge..." line, one could argue that it can refer to those in Hell will end up professing the truth, but it will be too late.

On the same note as purgatory, I read somewhere that one of the reasons Catholics and Orthodox Christians (actually, I am unsure about Orthodox Christians and purgatory, I think they have it in their doctrine, but I am not sure--so DON'T quote me on it) accept the doctrine is because they feel that when the doctrinal tenants were written, the writers were under the influence of the Holy Spirit. If you are someone who believes in the Holy Spirit, I can understand that then you can acept these doctrines, however, it opens the door to any old Joe saying "yes, but the Holy Spirit made me do it, so it was right"...

 

^the Mormons have the same deal, burbot, with their personal revelation. I think that's what they call it. Anyways, they quickly realized how bad it was because it let people be a bit freer from the Elders than they'd like. Plus, a lot of nuts and murderers have done some crazy stuff claiming to be directly told to do so by God.

 

I think it was originally murder, but later was changed to kill, actually all the commandments got changed around

god fought wars, so it's kill

 

Ok look.
For the last time.
Its not about anything being 'changed around' - its about our best experts choosing the best words to use.
-You should not Kill unlawfully.

I may not be an expert in Hebrew but thats why people who are, are paid the big bucks and spend their lifetimes studying these things.

"actually all the commandments got changed around"
Totally irresponsible comments.

 

Erasmus, why do you always have this hostile, uppity attitude in all your posts? You act like you know more than everyone else and you're always right. And even when you are, you're such a jerk about it. Relax a little, will ya?

 

I have to admit, this interpretation would probably seem the most correct to me.

Points to Erasmus for providing this.

(And negative points for being a total asshole to this guy about it.)

 

Why dont you STFU and stop dumbing down the threads with....

Ok, sorry bout that... force of habit.
My bad.


Critisism well taken.
Thx

 

That was weird...Twilight Zone weird....

 

I take back the negative points!