so lastnight...

i was flipping through the channels and i stopped on Comcast (chan. 8 where i live) and "It's your call with Lynn Doyle" and the subject was "Should marijuana be decrimialized?" of course the subject got me watching so i was listening to the facts, trying not to be close-minded about it. so there was this guy on there, Bill something, and he was an idiot. first off, he is saying that marijuana is soo bad for you, it's illegal so you shouldn't be doing it, ect. then he says something along the lines of "i want to see someone smoke a joint and then try reading the bible high, you can't do it." of course this got me mad, and i was thinking, first of all the bible is way to long for anyone to read it through in one sitting. i'm not sure about any of you, but when i'm high, i can read fine. i would think that if anything, you would read more of the bible then when you're not high, because i would get bored alot faster reading not while then while i was high. then the guy goes on to say that it's a gateway drug and it leads to coke and herion use. the said that he use to smoke and he ended up doing coke. everyone knows that this is a lie, marijuana isn't a gateway drug, and personally, i think that if you had thoughts about doing coke, you're going to do it if you smoke pot or not.

they had 2 other girls on there who were for it, and they made valid points. they said that, last year alone, mass. spent almost $29 million dollars on getting people who had a small amount of weed on them. why not spend that money for education or send it to the hurricane victims, something useful instead of busting a few kids who are just smoking and not doing anyone harm. then they brought up amsterdam and how it's legal there and the use of heavy drugs has gone down alot, and the rate of people who started smoking stayed the same. they tried to flip it around and be like "well then our kids are going to smoke and you don't want your kids smoking." just because it's legal, doesn't mean that your kids are going to start smoking. that's just stupid. your kid is going to smoke if they want to, legal or not. it's up to the parents to tell their kids not to smoke and what not. the whole con arguement for not getting it decriminalized was all lies and you could tell. the best part of the whole show was the online poll that asked if you think it should be decriminalized or not. the results: 91% of people think that it should, while only 9% think that it shouldn't.

sorry for the long post, thought it was a good topic though. anyone see this or have any thoughts?

 

I saw that show. It was bullshit

 

so unreasonable...

It really makes me angry that the guy used the bible as an example. It jsut brings the whole religion issue back into the picture, trying to say how kids should believe in god and cant be religious while they are using drugs. the whole point of that argument is just to rile up the religious fanatics

 

yeah, the show was bullshit. as far as a gateway drug goes, i have been smoking almost a year, and i've haven't done anything that i didn't want to do. smoking pot has never made me go..."oh man, this pot is good. let me try some coke now." it's bullshit. for some, yes it could be a gate-way drug. when you consider marijuana as a gateway drug, you have to look at studies to try to prove it. when it comes to this, amsterdam completely puts this to shame. since marijuana has become legal in amsterdam, the use of coke and other heavy drugs has gone done, not up. therefore, the whole "marijuana is a gateway drug" kinda doesn't come in to play. i'm not saying that it can't be, but all the kids i know who smoke, it hasn't led them to do harder drugs if they haven't wanted to try them already. the way i look at it is, if you do coke after you start smoking is because, not of the marijuana, it's because that you wanted to do it before, and not because of the marijuana itself.

what i thought was kind of interesting is that i was talking to a guy who i currently work with,and he is a retired cop from a pretty high class town close to me. i was talking to him about it and he said that if was up to him, he would make it legal. this is coming from a retired well respected cop. he was saying "you're never going to stop it, so why not profit from it. we could be making millions from it, instead we are wasting millions on a subject that we can't win. it's stupid to not make it legal." he was a point. as long as people want to smoke pot, there will always be pot. why not make it legal and then make money from it. the goverment can be making millions and actually use it for some good for a change. a lady said on the show: if you go to a highschool and give 3 kids each $20 and tell one kid to get you beer, another to get you cigs, and another to buy you some weed; which kid do you think will return first? the kid with the pot, because it's so easy to get. if it's so easy to get and the goverment knows that there will always be pot in the us, why not make it legal and profit from it. they will be able to regulate it and control it like beer.

on the show, they also came up with a point that, many kids try smoking because it's illegal and they like the thrill of doing something they aren't suppose to. along with beer and alcohol, studys show that when made legal to you at a age, the rate of kids using it drops because there is no longer that thrill of possibly getting caught with it. do you think that there is any truth to that? do you think that, if made legal, many kids will stop doing it because there is no longer that thrill?

 

chinese dude, even if there is a thrill to going against "the man," the real reason i smoke (and probably most people on this forum too, but i cant speak for them) is because of the amazing powers of weed and what it adds to my life, so if it is legalized and everyone starts doing it, that will in no way make me stop (even though it may lessen the excitement, even if that seems a bit immature), i dont no if that is the same for the rest of you though...

 

conspiracy...plus the US doesnt grow the best buds thats why...

 

toker, i don't feel that way at all, i only brought it up because they mentioned something along those lines and i was just courious to what you guys thought of it. personally, i could care less if everyone smoked. i don't do it because people aren't doing it, and i wouldn't start doing it because everyone else did it. i did it because i've always wanted to do it and the chance came up to do it and i took it. when i smoke, i liked it for the same reasons as you. it felt amazing and it opened my eyes and made me look at things in different ways. i think most of us on the forum look at it the same way that you and i do.

 

i bet a lot of people are mad at that deuche for relating marijuana and bible together

 

yeah, for mj being a gateway drug, you have to start somewhere, and weed is the first place. If there was no weed, people may be starting with coke.

 

No matter what happens, there will always be stupid ignorant fucks but it is up to spread the word. activism works!!!
educate.

 

penn and teller's bullshit - the war on drugs if you want to see a convincing show on y drugs should be leagle there you go.

the Gov. lieing out there ass about shit thats not true to defend there idea that drugs should be wronge. ug

 

Ok, I am a Christian, not the best, but I feel I have a strong faith, and I am a regular marijuana user. Sometimes I read the Bible high, and it's fun. I pray while high a lot. I figured out what I think God's take on weed might be, it can do so much good for mankind, how can he disapprove of something he created, while smoking a bowl. It might have been while I was helping a hangover, or maybe it was just a nice Sunday. When I am home, I regularly attend church, but I haven't gotten a church where I go to school at. And it should be legalized, and growable.

 

dont even get me started. marijuana makes life better period.

 

^^agreed

 

people just say marijuana is a gateway drug because its what people do first, but most people i know do alcohol before pot so why isnt that considered a gateway drug? probably just because its legal.

 

weed is never the first place. people start with coffee... or cigarettes.... or alcohol.... or prescriptions....

 

I've never tried to read the bible while high, but me and my friends can still roll some pretty good joints with it while we're stoned.

 

marijuana is a gateway drug. people dont understand what this means however. it has nothing to do with what the drug is, it has only to do with how society portrays it. alchohol is not a gateway and neither are ciggs, because people dont think of them as drugs. but marijuana is socially classed along with coke and heroin and the like, theyre 'DRUGS'. highly illegal as well. any illegal drug is a gateway drug, but marijuana is much cheaper and more commonly used, thus it is teh most common gateway that people go through. but its still a definate gateway to other drugs, kids try weed and think that other drugs must be as harmless, because theyre all classed together. in amsterdam, the gateway isnt an issue with weed because its legal, its not classed among other drugs.

 

The only way that pot is a gateway drug is that when you start buying pot from the black market, you expose yourself to the opportunity to buy more drugs and associate with people who can introduce you to new drugs. Of course, that problem would be eliminated if it was legalized. Otherwise, sure, a lot of people smoke pot before they try harder drugs, but a lot of people drink before they try harder drugs too.

Bill, I'm not sure that I agree with what you're saying, because (if I understand your post correctly) Pot is only a gateway drug in a societal context. While society does create its own truths, I wouldn't neccessarily consider them true. But I think your view of pot being a gateway drug would be solved by legalizing it as well.

 

The only way that pot is a gateway drug is that when you start buying pot from the black market, you expose yourself to the opportunity to buy more drugs and associate with people who can introduce you to new drugs.


This is the only way pot is a gateway drug. I didn't know anything about "drugs" and the such before i started toking. Now that I am older, well i guess you could say I have a PHD in street paharmacy. I have tried a lot of drugs since then. Pot never led me to them or made me want to do them in anyway. It only opened the door for me to find the other drugs. Any time i have done anything else i have done it responsiblly. The first time i did coke i was in a controlled enviroment with people that i trust greatly. It was a great time and i am not addiced. I'm not a coke head but from time to time i like to do a little and have a good time. resposible use is the answer to all drug use.