How did the world begin?

Something you know is true (you have tasted cinnamon) cannot be proved to anyone but yourself.

 

So "God" IS subjective then, right?
:H

 

And objective. Just like cinnamon.

 

I BELIEVE ! I BELIEVE ! HALLELUJAH, I AM FREE! WOOOOOOO!

Go forth and telleth all thine friends that thou hast converted Libertine to Kharianty!

GLORY !!!

 

I dont think there was a big bang

and I dont think that the universe was created.

I think its not some room, its just infinite, constantly evolving.

Too many holes in The Big Bang Theory

And I dont think something created the entire universe because then theres the paradox... well where did that something come from?

 

Not realy a paradox. Both scientific and theological thought aims at understanding the foundation of the universe's existence. The dispute between atheists and theists is about whether the foundation of existence possesses intent (God) or not (Agod).

 

Or as another poster elsewhere so aptly put it, " ...whether the foundation of existence possesses 'souls' or 'a-souls'."
I feel very strongly that it does not matter one bit one way or the other, and therefore I don't give a rip.
If God is a tyrant, as some would suggest, then I am with Occam. Fight the power! After all, if those tyrannical God theorists are correct, he made Satan. And that alone peeves me.

 

I do not see evidence of a tyranny.

 

Kharakov

Rubbish.

The athiest position is illogical thus it cannot claim any
knowledge about the foundation of existance.
The athiestic position IS NOT THE RATIONAL OR SCIENTIFIC POSITION.
AS YOU WELL KNOW.

No human can say there are even ANY FOUNDATIONS TO EXISTANCE.
For existance may be infinite in duration.[edit] Thus it has always
existed. And has no foundations[initial conditions] that were manipulated by a god[or not][edit]
And no arguement can refute that.

Expand your horizons laddie

Occam

 

I didn't say it was.

Really?

The dispute between atheists and theists is about whether the foundation of existence possesses intent (God) or not (Agod).

 

One theory that is becoming more and more popular is the Big /Crunch theory that basically says that the Universe created itself. See space time is curved and since everything inside of it travels along a curved arc they will all return to their point of origin (which according to the big bang theory, they all originated from the same exact point). As things get clsoer and closer together and galaxies become affected by each other's gravitational pull they will accelerate faster and faster towards each other until **CRUNCH!** The resulting impact sends all the matter in the galaxy scattering to the four corners and the process starts itself over again.

An intersting thing to do from both a scientific and spiritual perspective would be to find the one point of origin all things are headed for- But the size and complexity of the universe makes that very difficult.

The other possibility is that all the matter in the universe colliding (the big crunch) would form a super-massive object that would eventually become a black hole. In which case all existence would become a dark so deep not even the brightest starlight woudl escape. A temporary finality.

 

Esoteric.

Ok so bang/expand/collapse/crunch may be what happens.

What if there are millions of such cyclic systems doing just that.
That reality is far larger than just OUR small cyclic universe.

We really are VERY SMALL. Lets not fall into the trap of thinking that which seems big to us. IS big.
Our universe may be just one of billions or trillions doing the same cyclic dance..
If a species escapes those systems into the meta-system of totality.
Well, maybe thats where the thing we call *** might be.

Occam

 

We'll never really know how exactly the universe began, quite frankly. All the theories and hypotheses (religious and secular) are untestable an unfalsifiable, rendering them just theories and hypotheses.

 

slice and dice, I love your sig.

"Its funny because its true"
Homer Simpson

 

If there is Then there always was

 

That's a pretty negative attitude. People know many things that they did not know 20 years ago, not to mention 500 years ago.

 

SliceNDice

Agree but for one word 'never'
'Never' is an absolute . Somewhat modified by the
'really know' that follows. But what does 'really know' mean?
Logic stipulates that an individual 'really knows' only one thing.
That because they reason that they exist. their reasoning mind exists.

Not saying that we 'will' find out how the universe 'we observe' [only]
came to be.
But that 'never' as u used it is a hypothesis/theory only.

PS. Einstein once sent a letter to President Roosevelt that outlined
'just' a theory/hypothesis.
6 years later
The people of hiroshima and nagasaki learnt about it.

Occam