This Gospel verse emphasizes that Jesus was an impostor, so stop blaming Jews!

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!! I am not doing this I am discussing the issues with proofs and if I am wrong or misunderstood the verses they have to show me what it is the right thing then! And yeah I am not proving that Jesus (pbuh) was wrong! Christians by their own style of interpreting the simple verses are making Jesus as an imposter and God as an unjust God! Or the God of confusion etc! The Christians read other meanings into his words; wrench words out of their context to make him God with no proof just to reconcile it with Paul's concept of God! Or by attributing some statements to Jesus or verses to the Gospel! Read for example my thread and the responses of this thread Is God 1 or 3? [Or] Is Jesus God or part of God? [Let the Gospel answer] and one more thing:​

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The modern day Christian… uses harsher words and cruder approaches… ​

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(a) "Either Jesus is God or a liar" ​

(b) "Either Jesus is God or a lunatic"
(c) "Either Jesus is God or an impostor" (A Christian Magazine "Plain Truth" - April '77)

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'' In this case, I would find it very hard and inconsistent to label such a man as a mere prophet. No, either Jesus was a raging liar, and He could not really forgive sin. Or He was a lunatic--out of His mind. Or, He really did have the power that was God’s only, in which case He would be God''è read post 72​

http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2025076&postcount=72​

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'' he is either (1) A liar, that is, a deceiver (2) A lunatic who lacks the normal human faculties of reasoning, among other things''èread post 83 http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2028334&postcount=83 ​

''These are his words, words culled from Christian literature. Since no man of charity, Muslim or otherwise, can condemn Christ so harshly as the Christian challenges him to do, perforce he must keep non-committal. He thinks he must make a choice between one or the other of these silly extremes. It does not occur to him that there is an alternative to this Christian conundrum.​

Sensible Alternative: Is it not possible that Jesus is simply what he claimed to be, a prophet, like so many other prophets that passed away before him? Even that he is one of the greatest of them, a mighty miracle worker, a great spiritual teacher and guide - the Messiah!. Why only God or Lunatic? Is "lunacy" the opposite of "Divinity" in Christianity? What is the antonym of God?''​

Shouldn't I defend my prophet? Yes I should.​

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It is so clear at least to me, it is Our fault. I discussed it so much and I consider those who blame God in everything bad and evil weak, unjust and losers. ​

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Oh my dear Allah please forgive me when your creatures misunderstand you or don't know more about you or when they couldn't grasp your wisdom because it is my fault in a part of this as it is the fault of some of the believers of your majesty, it is my default, my dereliction, please forgive me, I am so sorry , Oh!, I really do hate myself, and ….I still want to be your ambassador *sigh* I Love you Allah, I love you, … forgive me​

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Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

 

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!!!??? I am not sure about what are you meaning exactly by this, but
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Matthew 5.44: … Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
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Who wants the truth then he has to work hard and be sincere in his Journey of finding out the truth, he shouldn't give up, by the way, such journeys are so interesting and existing =) *seriously*, we shouldn't wait the truth to come to us we have to go to it.
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Dedication to those who seek the truth click
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Source: post 32
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I am not sure about what are you meaning exactly by this, however, Some will remain as they are, they won't change, take for example the fabulous miracles of Jesus, many denied them , Allah talked about that in several verses in the Quraan.
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Quraan: and they swear their strongest oaths by Allah, that if there came to them a sign, they would surely believe. Say: ''signs are but with Allah and what will make you (Muslims) perceive that (even) if it (the sign) came, they wouldn't believe?''
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Muhammad Husnee Yusuf said: Jesus' life is wonderful in his birth and wonderful in his childhood and wonderful in his youth, in his life and in his calling (i.e. conveying the message of God) and his end… everything in it was wonderful, all his life was miracles and signs of the power of Allah. Without a father he was born and he talked when he was in the cradle, he healed the patients, he raised the dead people, he fashion out of clay the likeness of a bird, and he breathed into it and it becomes a bird and fly, by Allah's leave. He announced unto people about the secrets of what they store up in their houses of food, drinks and money. He prayed to God with prayers and God hear (answer) him immediately, he sowed the good (righteousness), peace and love between the people and everywhere.
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Quraan: … whenever there came to them a Messenger with what they themselves desired not, _ a group of them they called liars and others among them they killed.
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I am still till today don't know what your belief is? Some times you seem as an atheist but when you want to blame God you seem to be a believer!
According to what you consider that è His 'potential' existence to drive us farther apartè why not the evil deeds of some people are doing this? It is so clear who are doing mischief in the earth at least to me, I prefer to don't argue with you these issues because
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Dear: let me tell you something
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All these things I think it will be useless to discuss it as long as you are Atheist or Agnostic. Myself I think that if somebody believed that the current entire Bible or the Quraan is Allah's word then he has to follow its teachings and discuss it, but basically he doesn't believe in it (God) so then it is a wasting for time. Yes, what is the benefit in arguing his commands and you basically don't believe in him as a God? How can you blame him when you don't believe in his existence actually?
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Myself, I think you have to believe in God's existence in the first place, and when you believe in a God you must have evidences or something that make you believe that he is the true God, and after that you have to search for that God's religion. i.e. I think we have to discuss firstly 1) is there a creator (i.e. God)? And if we believed that there is a creator then we have to move to è2) who's the true God (creator) and after we knew who is the true God with proofs and evidences then we can answerè3) what is the true religion of God (the creator)?And to discuss issues about him or to blame him if he is truly the one who is causing these things!!!!! likeè His 'potential' existence to drive us farther apart!!!!
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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Love_N_it
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The verses which I quoted to you were relevant to what you said:Are wesupposed to solve or fix the problems that our contradicting belief's have caused?
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And, it goes without saying that you are very right, because you took off the topic by some of your comments and as a response from me on these comments I will took off the topic naturally by commenting on irrelevant comments to the main topic which was written by you!!!! And yeah, there are members who I won't name them, who are taking off the topic in my threads mostly! And of course I won't comment on their irrelevant comments all the time and always, some times I ignore it especially when I am not in mood or don't have the time to do so or when they write it sarcastically è (actually they don't want to read or don't care about what your response is gonna be)……and you are one of those
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Well, I won't quote this time from the Quraan or the bible, read the entire Quraan and the holy bible by your self. You will find the answers there.
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Why are your children supposed to live with you in the same house! Rather, why are things which you bought it supposed to be yours and you do whatever you want with it! Why is the computer supposed to follow your instructions! Why are you supposed to follow the US' constitution and law!
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Who told that we supposed to believe that we should "come together" over Allah he isn't existed according to you, if you are atheist today?
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Who told you that? You don't know who I am and what I am doing? I won't give more comments here because you'll find it in my previous posts which I wrote it to you, I am not here to copy and paste what I've written all the time! And as I said once, if I am discussing in this forum religious issues there are who are discussing issues which you are interested in. I have the utter right to talk and write about whatever I like as long as it doesn't disagrees with the forum's rules.
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Isn't a song.
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Again we can live together even if we have different beliefs and I quoted to you many of the verses regarding it.
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I will translate an Arabic lyric [we all human] written by: Medhatt Al-Adel
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Despite the differences of the tongue
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And indeed mankinds are colors è (black, white, etc)
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Divided in intentions and figures and religions
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But we all are one
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The lord of the mankind is one
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By love he gathered us (or by love we are gathered)
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And we all human…
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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Love_N_it:
if you would like to keep discussing these issues please do it by PM

Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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Catstevens.. do you now agree that it has been demonstrated that Jesus fulfilled the claims he made in regards to Johah?

If not, please tell me which passage (or both?) is the corrupted one?
You do insist one of these passages is corrupted so please tell me which ones.
This will help further our discussion if you still insist you have found a problem.

 

Erasmus70
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If not, please tell me which passage (or both?) is the corrupted one?
You do insist one of these passages is corrupted so please tell me which ones.
This will help further our discussion if you still insist you have found a problem.[/Quote]
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!!!!!Check my replys if you didn't check it, yet.​

peace and sincere love​

Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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!!!!!Check my replys if you didn't check it, yet.​

peace and sincere love​

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Can you please explain why you do not understand that Jesus spent three days and three nights in the Tomb (just as Jonah was in the Fish).

Please explain why you say otherwise?
Please reply with an explanation.


(nowhere in your long posts do you explain why you reject it?)

 

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!!!!!!!!!!!Dear brother, I already did,Clickand read what I wrote under☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼ The Time factor

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Read post 10 and post 11 ​

Are you the same Erasmus70 or someone else but using his nickname? I can't believe this? ​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

 

If you believe this is "Allah's" house, and you want to be His "ambassador",
tell Him I said it smells like a funking toilet down here, and if He's not too busy watching the pornography, ask could He pay attention to the war and destruction that HIS message is causing.
Oh, and since He's obviously blinded by the smoke like the rest of us... let Allah know that we are suffocating in our own pollution also.
No big hurry.
I'm not sure how thick the smog hoovering over His "chosen peoples" heads has become, maybe 'they' have plenty of time to watch US get what we deserve for not reporting to Islam!

You know it's just a matter of what you have been exposed to, or what you have been made aware of in your life.
Maybe an 'ambassador' is supposed to be UNderstanding of others,
and not so hard headed. What else is there for somebody like you in the real world when you have already established that you know everything there is to understand in this life?
from the knowledge you gained in a book, written... I mean 'handed down' by an illiterate man.
I can't believe you are still debating 'specifics'.
As many contradictions that exist in scripture, to see you put your mind towards making Jesus look like an "imposter", then you defend the Jews...?
What's really going on with you?


I think you should listen to this song and think about something,
what are you working on that will HELP make this a possibility?

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/c/cat-stevens/28199.html


It is a song.
Just listen.

 

Love_N_it:​

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The insisting of taking off the topic, read his message very well, I think you should be added to the ignoring list with the members who always and mostly insist to take off my topics.
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I will keep doing this till my last breathe.
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Read my posts very well. Hopefully, you will get it.
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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The thread title outrages me even though I am not a Christian. Let's burn some flags and kill some people k ?

 

read the topic and decide

Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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Either your choice or ability to express yourself is poor, or you are intentionally trying to act like a blooming idiot. Your post are full of ancient scripture, mine are full of heartfelt words... something you obviously do not have the ability to comprehend.

You read your post, over and over untill you believe you are right, you are wasting your life by preaching the WORDS of an illiterate MAN, and your goal is for us to 'get it',
when sadly,
you don't .

Maybe you should put everybody on your ignore list so that nobody ever bothers you again while you are talking to yourself. Hopefully you hear voices when you are alone because you cannot hear the words of people who exist outside of your little imgainary world.
As long as you keep blocking out everybody else in the world, you and Allah will always feel good about being so right, and great, and perfect.

I think you finally found a way to get everything you've always wanted, complete isolation from the rest of the world, congratulations.



Crying to the Spirits

 

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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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