take the questiona t face value, i am not trying to mince words and use phrases to catch people out, i just think that if you give it enough thought, the invariable answer is no.
I think it's a good question, and i am also not trying to be tricky. You did not anwer my question though. What do you mean by your terms. I am not new to this question I think it's a good question and truely wonder how much thought you have put into it. My post about the definitions was a sincere attempt to be open and honest and intelligent.
well, by pacifism i mean complete non-violence, ie ghandi and the dalai lama (both of whom i have major issues with), and by utalitarianism, i mean doing what is the greater good fro the biggest amount of people. the flaw in utalitariansim is that it requires human judgement, which is subject to human error, but, for my question, you can ignore that easily enough, as your actions are according to your judgements, and it would not be utalitarian if you thought that your actions would not bring about the greater good. ima rambling now...
the fact is, you cannot be a pacifist and a utalitarian in a situation where a little violence would be for the greater good, ie, when you and your friends are being attacked, and you are able to take the guy responisble out easily enough...
Now see some folks might not see all self defense as violent. Self defense is usually used as an excuse of some sort. And nonviolence in a humanist/non-spiritual way is a social question. So the equation goes, if you convince folks of your compassion and co-operation they will begin to trust you and competition for resource can end. So for the pragmatist non-violence could mean limiting the violence of others, which could mean knock the guy out before he burns down the whole city. If you read gandhi enough you will find that he was asked these questions and gave responses similar to the one i just gave. Gandi himself though was a spiritualist and thought the world included reincarnation of a sort. Gandhi once gave the order for the euthanasia of a herd animal injured beyond repair but living in pain for an extended time, and the story deals with these issues. He is quated as saying that he would have given the same order for a person.
he also was responisble for the death of many indians because he refused to assertively defend them (he also refused to help any of the black south africans; he was purely concerned with those from an asian ethnic background)
well ive also been coming up with some questions to ask people in my school, which is where i typically see my most people, and ill have the questions auditorally taped -P), along with that i would like to start doing some leafletting just with thoughts, artwork, quotes, and just about anything picked out my friends and me, and whoever else would like to add something. then just go down to a copy shack, maybe get some good paper, and make a bunch of copies. hand them out to people who i think could get some use out of what we put into it. whether it be by a thought of ours, about the school, friends, life, philosophy, human nature, whatever, or by quotes, reccommended music, craft ideas, fun activities, or artwork. anyone have any other good ideas of things to put on the leaflets?
maybe you have to start this very small and interesting, cause if you start something really big the first time people just think o whatever and throw it away. i think 1 or 2 papers of a4 format is enough the first time... but you sure need to know that yourself. i definatly want to see one if it is ready!! i don't have very much to add to your ideas, not yet
If you oppose us, but all you have to say is that we're "retards," then you must be pretty insecure in your reasoning. If you had anything intelligent to rebut us with, you'd say it.
i would say it couldnt justify it, as although one slave may be able to serve 4 people, does the good outweigh the bad? I dont think so. Also, utalitarianism also takes into account alternatives, its not jsut the first solution you see.
Every things is a symbol of peace activism wether it wants to be or not. No but seriously. I about to help out in new orleans and make documentary on how easy it is to take time serve the world where and when it really counts. And on how the government doesnt advocate us helping our nieghbors.
i thought about it and i have some ideas for it. articles with/ about personal stories about something (personal live, happenings/concerts you have been to, inspiring stories from other people) recipies, biological food, vegetarian food/ way of living, ecological living, soap, environment whatever. I really want to help you with this thing, if you want me to write something you know where to find me.
putting up posters is a form of activism? wouldn't it be more effective to just DO something? Not trying to sound too negative or something.... Why not do a petition towards something a bit more specific than just peace in general? Pick a specific battle and go from there.... I've done a few 30 hour famines when I was in highschool... Did a few Free Tibet rallys etc... Now I'm more into doing a bit different grassroots activation, trying to fill carepackages to send to 3rd world countries and such...
