I posted this clip once before, a while back. It was taken from Alex Jones' documentary titled Martial Law, 9/11 and the Rise of the Police State. I am not trying to deride communists, but I have found that very few self-proclaimed communists can debate when it comes to facts. Most of it is just rhetoric, image and emotion... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2478903344353206443&q=Alex+Jones Can any communists in here refute the fact that communism was created by the same central banks that control capitalism, and is nothing more than a consolidation of power in the hands of an elite few? I would really like to hear some answers, especially from Balbus. Balbus has told me that, because I oppose communism, I am supporting the Elite which have created and funded communism for their own gain. Like I have said, both capitalism and communism are products of the central banks. Both are essentially the same. It's just a difference of who controls what and to which extent. I am in no way a fan of the current capitalist system, which is not free-market and borders on socialism (ie: the consolidation of wealth/power in the hands of the state), but I believe that a communist/fascist system (which is where we are headed) is even worse.
isn't true commmunism moreso in the hands of all, instead of the hands of a few. Everyone is elite/not elite depending on how you look at it in a communist society.
u need proof communism deoesnt work? visit north korea. u need proof capitalism doesnt work? visit the people who have been living in ghettos in cities for the last 3 or 4 generations
This isn't shocking to me if it's true, communism in practice is certainly nothing more then giving "power" to the few. But the fact is we will share all money and property and so on... when we realize that we are all ONE BEING, ONE CONSCIOUSNESS. It only make sense of the left hand to hand a apple to the right hand... And that sounds a lot like communism... The difference is, it is not forced by a violent revolution or controlled by party leaders... It is not the anti-spiritual communism that karl marx came up with... It is based IN REALITY, quantum mechanics proves we are one consciousness, that all is part of it. Thus political system will grow out of this realization unlike any we have seen... and it will be about sharing, peace and love!
Some argue that illuminati ideas inspired communist thought but those ideas seems to be steeped in enlightenment thought on which most progressive left wing modern political thought is based. For example - The Illumanati “ abjured Christianity, advocated sensual pleasures, believed in annihilation, and called patriotism and loyalty narrow-minded prejudices incompatible with universal benevolence ”; further, “ they accounted all princes usurpers and tyrants, and all privileged orders as their abettors ; they meant to abolish the laws which protected property accumulated by long-continued and successful industry ; and to prevent for the future any such accumulation, they intended to establish universal liberty and equality, the imprescriptible rights of man, and as preparation for all this they intended to root out all religion and ordinary morality, and even to break the bonds of domestic life, by destroying the veneration for marriage-vows, and by taking the education of children out of the hands of the parents.” This attack on the Order of Illuminati come from the English royalist John Robison in his Proofs of Conspiracy of 1798, and is often cited as ‘proof’ of the similarities between the supposed views of the illuminati and the communists But let us put that aside the anti-illumanti rhetoric and look at what the illumanti seem to have believed in - The illuminati reject Christianity in fact they seem to be against all religion. The illuminati seem to be anti-nationalistic, they believe in a brotherhood of humans, and reject the ideas of difference (of race or nationality). The illuminati reject the idea of private property The illuminati wished to establish universal liberty and equality and champion human rights The illumanti seem to believe in public education The illumanati seem to believe in a liberalisation of the vows of marriage (which in those days was akin to the male ownership of the woman) They wanted to educate women to the same level as men. In fact the illumanti seemed to want to change the accepted ‘morality’ of their time and place (Bavaria and Europe in the 1770-80’s). Its founder Adam Weishaupt believed that the happiness of the human race was the goal the illumanti were working toward. ** You really can see why the forces of the establishment wanted to suppress and vilify them. So you had people like the Government (the elector of Bavaria) the Church (Abbe Barruel) and royalists like Robison all trying their best to paint them in a bad light. I mean these are progressive and radical policies even now many of them are buttons that get conservatives and right wingers all riled up. Think about it to be against the illumanati someone has to be - Pro-Religious Nationalistic (and to some degree believing in the superiority of some people over others) Against communal or public ownership Believe that such ideas of liberty, equality or human rights are negotiable (think Guantanamo Bay) Believe that parents should have full control over children’s education Believe that the best place for a woman is at home and her first priority is her husbands needs Believe that the establishment should dictate ‘morality’. **
