gun control

Discussion in 'Protest' started by malachi35, Jan 31, 2006.

  1. FreakerSoup

    FreakerSoup Stranger

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    Might as well? Why? If someone comes into your house, you've got just as much opportunity with a shotgun or even a baseball bat. You don't need one for defense, so if you're a law-abiding citizen (and not a cop) you don't need one.
     
  2. thespeez

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    ..And we can see the results of places like the UK and Australia after imposing such laws! Violent crime rate increase by 300%! No thanks! In the States that have passed the right to carry, the rate has plummeted!

    ..and examples of this can be shown in Nazi Germany, communist China, Cambodia under Pol Pot, just to name a few.

    Just in case anyone thought that all gun-rights advocates are all right-wing kooks, check out these websites:
    http://www.progunprogressive.com/
    http://www.a2dems.net/
    http://www.armedliberal.com/
    http://www.liberalswithguns.com/
     
  3. guy

    guy Senior Member

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    has it ever occurred to you that not all crimes are reported? michael moore demonstrated in bowling for columbine that another world is possible, canada seems to have a first rate social welfare system, america doesn't. i seem to remember that the film said that canada has more guns per head than america yet suffers from a fraction of the crime. maybe it helps to actually watch the film before critising it or anyone who dares to whisper that the world doesn't revolve around one opinion.
     
  4. gary.newelluk

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    Massaging figures to suit your own policies is not a good idea.

    If there were 100 million people and 1 criminal and then suddenly there were 2 criminals the next year that would amass to a 100% increase.

    Percentages can be useful as a guide but it can look better or worse depending how you want the figures to look.

    It doesn't matter how much of an increase of crime we have in Britain it wouldn't get close to the crime rate in the US. (as a % because I am aware there are a few more people over there).
     
  5. malachi35

    malachi35 Banned

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    Ok, what about hunting, plenty of people hunt with pistols.
     
  6. thespeez

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    Really? Well if Canada has a first rate social welfare system, explain why so many Canadians come this side of the border for health care that they cannot get there? Granted there are laws that exist on the books here in America that I'd like to see done away with, such as repressive speed limits on many roads, drug and sexual conduct laws, just to name a few.
    Something to remember is that there are many pacifist judges here in the States and often times will let criminals who commit violent crimes off on a light sentence. In a number of instances, they do this just so that individual can continue to contribute to a lawyer's earnings! By letting violent thugs on the street after such a short-or perhaps non-existent-sentence, it's no wonder that we have the crime problem that we do. I doubt that you see quite this level of legal abuse in other countries. By contrast, someone who commits what I'll call a 'political offense' (e.g. drug offense, consentual sex offense, etc.), will usually get the book thrown at them!
     
  7. thespeez

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    Although I do own a few, I'm not a big fan of handguns personally. I, myself prefer shotguns, rifles (including carbines) as I feel that you have better control. At the same time, I don't speak for everyone. As such, why should I impose my views on the rest of the world? The problem that you have is that when you start imposing bans, you don't make the problem go away, but only send it underground!
     
  8. FreakerSoup

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    People can hunt with pistols. It sounds like a dumb idea if you ask me, and it's certainly not necessary. You can get a taser if you're worried about getting attacked away from home. I'm sure there are instances where pistols would be handy. However, I'm also pretty sure that pistols contribute to crime more than they do to defense against crime or hunting. If they were outlawed, you would be able to defend yourself just fine, and if you put a hefty penalty with them you'll have to worry about them that much less.
     
  9. malachi35

    malachi35 Banned

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    Yes you can hunt with a pistol, it's called sport. And more people than you think do it.
     
  10. malachi35

    malachi35 Banned

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    And a pistol is better for short range, when they break into your home, or attack you on the street, you fire a pistol, and you're less likely to end up hurting someone else.
     
  11. svensenjensen

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    If you shoot a shotgun in the house at an intruder, there is going to be more damage and blood splater. No one wants to clean up someone elses brain matter
     
  12. FreakerSoup

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    Think about the pros and cons:

    Pro-You can hunt with it, if that's what gets you off. Still completely unnecessary.
    Pro-On the off chance someone breaks into your house while you're home and have access to any guns at all, there's a smaller chance of hurting an innocent bystander. Fairly negligible if you ask me, 'cause pistols are more likely to be mistakenly fired.
    Pro-In the situation above, you won't have as much mess to clean up.

    Con-If it's left around, kids can find them and play with them.
    Con-More likely to be involved in accidents.
    Con-WAAAAAAY more likely to be used in crime.

    I think pistols are more trouble to society than they are good. Anything you can do with a pistol you can do with another firearm or a bat or a taser or something similar. I think AK-47's on the market are far less dangerous than pistols.
     
  13. svensenjensen

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    How is a pistol easier to fire, have you ever even seen a gun of any type. Kids will always get hurt, but I bet after they shoot themselfs they'll learn a lesson. If you take away firearms the children of the future will never have the chance to eperience this lesson; do you really want to be responsible for this.
     
  14. malachi35

    malachi35 Banned

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    OK, some people like to hunt because they are able to accomplish something. We want to be able to prove our capabilities as the top of the food chain.

    I never said that a lot of bullets hit a lot of people, but if you had any idea what a shotgun was, you'd know that it has about 40 pellets in a single shell. So, I don't know how you couldn't see that 40 projectiles is more dangerous than one.

    The first thing you should do is to tell your kids about gun safety. Most child gun deaths are from families who don't teach their kids gun safety. That's one of the first things I learned, and I don't fuck around with guns.

    I don't know how a pistol is more likely to end up in an accident than a shotgun.

    As for crimes, I don't know how many times I have to say this, but criminals will break the law. There's laws against killing people, criminals still do it. Theirs laws against stealing peoples cars, criminals still do it. If you make a law saying you can't own pistols, the criminals still will, and they will know that the law abiding citizen walking down the street doesn't have a pistol.
     
  15. andcrs2

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    Try firing 5 lethal shots w/a weapon
    (other than a revolver legally concealed in a normal/run of the mill coat pocket)
    while unlocking a vehicle door.

    I believe that is incorrect from a ballistic (of or relating to projectiles/their motion/their effects) standpoint.


    Most of yall need to get some hands on experience before Posting - otherwise be content to read n Learn......but mainly stop w/the presentation of incorrect 'Facts'.
     
  16. EwokUtopia

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    You could say that guns dont kill people, people kill people, but couldnt you say the same of nuclear bombs? I suppose we should eliminate all control on them as well? No, gun control is nessesary. Firstly, why does anyone need guns? to go hunting you say? barbaric and crude practise, quite frankly it should be abolished as a sport and only accepted in communities where it makes up a part of revenue (like Native American communities for instance). Quite frankly, the right wing confounds me in alot of ways. They seem to be a bit hypocritical by saying that guns should not be controlled in the slightest, and they also want to slap a law on abortion thinking it will make it dissapear. They want to make guns easily accessable and counter the criminal element which inevitably results with harsher prison terms (thank god my taxes are being well spent on arming and imprisoning criminals!).They like the death penalty and war, but are "pro-life". Im not making a statement on my stance on abortion (youll find I am quite the fanatical fence sitter on that topic) but rather I am pointing out some oddities I find common amoungst conservatives.
     
  17. hippychickmommy

    hippychickmommy Sugar and Spice

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    My husband is a proud, licensed, concealed handgun carrier and is desperately trying to seduce me into becoming one as well for the safety of myself and our children.

    I'm not a gun person by any means, however, I support his decision and realize why he chose to do it. It is his constitutional right to bear arms, and he's says he going to use that right.

    Peace...
     
  18. Trickster

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    The fact that americans can buy guns in kmart/walmart whatever, says so much of the difference between our countries. It's probably the most stark fact i think of when comparing. Really, we're such a different culture in this way
     
  19. andcrs2

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    There were several incidents (suits) a number of years ago which prompted wally world to halt their sales of hand guns Nationwide if my Memory hasn't totally failed me.

    Chalk another one up to the legal beagles...

    K-Mart has pulled outta this area. *frown*
     
  20. hippychickmommy

    hippychickmommy Sugar and Spice

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    Who buys guns at Kmart or Walmart? I didn't even know that places like that sold firearms to be honest.

    I know my husband's guns came from his father and also from a gun show he went to.
     

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