can war be justified

Obviously if you are being oppressed, you have the right to stand up to it, but that isnt really war, now is it? In my mind, the only justifyable violence is to stop oppression. Not imperialism, which is usually nowadays commited under the false goal of stopping oppression. Saddam was an ass, but it was not up to the US to stop him, and it was certainly not up to the US to set up their imperial ambitions in Iraq, which is what is happening right now. The Iraq war is not justifyable under ANY stretch of the imagination, and the only US soldier I respect is the one who goes AWOL.

 

The average US soldier is just a kid that has been fed a belief system that equates the killing with glory, honor and patriotism. the average Iraqi soldier is not a lot different. they fight for what they have been indoctrinated to believe is right and only see it in those terms. My heart goes out to them and the mortal danger that they on bothsides must face. The leaders I have no pity for. the send young men and women to die for things that they themselves won't go die for. If Osama believes it so desirable to become a martyr then why doesn't he do it and the same goes for Bush.

If you look into the real story of WWII you see that what we are taught and what really happened are seldom the same. france and England declared war on Germany when they invaded Poland...but at the same time Russia invaded Poland and nothing was said. American lend lease quietly stole Englands overseas bases and stratigic outposts in payment for shiploads of spam leaving Great Britian a shell of the prewar majesty that it was. Someone earlier mentioned Dresden, Hamburg, Hiroshima and Nagasaki...not our most shining moments. Is there simple good or simple evil? No, just people and nations making excuses to slaughter one and other.

 

I believe that in regards to World War II, if the U.K. and France had not intervened, The Third Reich and the Soviet Union would have attacked each other. And then maybe both Nazism as well as Red Fascism(Communism) would have destroyed it's self. I truely, and sincerly feel that the only time that violent force is permissable is in defense of yourself and or home from attack. And aggression is never permissable, no matter what the reason.

 

OK, you say it wasn't justified, but what about the fact that no matter how many times a UN weapons inspector came look for weapons, and Saddam would say he couldn't go to certain places. OK, so we didn't find any, but the threat was definitely there, and now, there is that much less to worry about.

 

Now that was dumb. We don't pay people overseas with a particular currency, we pay them the equivalent that it is worth in their own currency.

 

Man, you need to lay off the fuckin bong. You're more burnt out than I could imagine.

 

Sounds like this lady was just making up shit. Everything that comes to your mind isn't always correct.

 

How the hell is there less to worry about? Firstly, Saddam and Iraq are far too remote to cause any danger to North America or even Europe. Secondly, all the war seems to have accomplished is get everyone in the world besides Israel and Kuwait (both of which are ran by oppressive regimes sympathetic to American Impreialism, indeed reliant on it as well) pissed at the US and its allies. Thirdly, countless thousands of innocent Iraqi's have been killed, and for what? To remove the threat of some dick put in power by the US in the first place? Now if we are talking about toppling oppressive regimes, I am all for that. But the US does not have a good track record of toppling evil dictators. On the contrary, they seem to have a past of toppling good leaders and replacing them with crypto-fascists (Chile ring a bell anyone?) who bow to the whims of the US government and TNC's. Let me tell you one very clear fact. The WMD's were never in Iraq...but they ARE in Iowa, why not send UN inspectors there to make sure that your insane cokehead King Bush the second doesnt have a trigger happy target practise on Tehran? Let there be no mistake about it, the American Republic is dead, welcome to the American Empire, militant, decadent, profit-hungry and oppressive, much like the Roman Empire it so closely resembles. And just like the Romans, America can not balance its hegemony over the world forever. It is the duty of every single US citizen to reform their government so that they can perhaps become a peaceful humble nation once more, rather than have the whole of American civilization fall and take down the rest of us while your at it. I believe it was Dr. Stephen Hawking who said something along the lines of "As bad as September 11 was, it did not threaten all of human existance in the way (absurdly) large Nuclear Weapons stockpiles do."



Let there be no mistake about it, humanity has come to a turning point, and it is us, the young generation of the west, who have the oppurtunity to choose for our sons and daughters either a golden age or a dark age. The choice and power is ours, so whatever you do, do not be bored. We are the only people capible of overthrowing this wretched neoconservative stranglehold of our beloved Earth, and if we can start talking the talk to go with our walk, the Earth belongs to everyone, and not just the CEO's and plutocrats.

 

the only justified war is against oppression - a war which has to be fought by the oppressed, not some imperialist with an endless thirst for oil.

 

Dude, you rock, I love the pic, are you Canadian too? Native rights are the total first front for all North American anti-imperialist movements.

 

Yeah. I'm from the West Coast tho.

 

say this situation: America which is democratic-ish and the rest of the UN are refusesd permission to enter iraq, iran whatever what do you believe they should do? i honestly dont know mkae sanctions against them and if that doesnt work? remember iraq wasnt democratic was it so that is how evil dictators come(power corrupts absolutely) and american leaders don't have that much power, if they make mistakes do the wrong thing then they get kicked out by the public. so what is the answer to my original questional about UN being refused permission? pleased to see yours answers.
thanks

 

the class war is always happening and always justified. a revolutionary war can be justified/

 

the class war?

 

most wars could be settled peacefully if all sides are democratic and people understand clearly i think, i may be very wrong lol. i am confused about war atm

 

Of course war can be justified.

 

RE: Yeah. I'm from the West Coast tho.

Spooner, there's a very very very interesting story about that photograph that I know about. Suffice it to say I laugh every time I see it.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_War

Lefties love this kinda thing.. very very 70s..

 

bourgoirsie versus proletariat.


on another note, ghandi's pacifism got thousands of his own people killed, mroe than if he had defended them assertively.

 

If all sides were domocratic... then i doubt their would be a war in the first place...?.