Gay Cure MERGED

I have seen more love radiate from gay couples than hetero ones. I saw two cowboy types at a bar the other night, they were beautiful, and both very sexually attractive. I thought it was great.

They are as in love as my wife and I are, and that is never wrong.

Had i not had a friend to take home, i would have asked if they wanted a third for the night =)

 

I already know the cure for homosexuality. All a guy has to do is look at Susanna Hoff from the Bangles. She gives me a hard on and I'm gay.

Check her out: who the hell isn't attracted to her? If your not, what's wrong with you?

 

Don't you know Rule #7 of internet debating? "As soon as you call your opponent a Nazi, the debate is over." lol

 

Ive been lurking here for a little while, I am not out yet. I just wantd you to know I loved your post yaya.

 

Thanks for the nice words amberlily.

 

Must be something wrong with me - little boney child woman - does not do anything for me and I am Hetro. Although I do confess to a desire to tell her to get your hair out of your eyes.

 

If you'd said Debbie Harry, you might have been onto something.

 

Its absolutely perfect and anything which could be seen as a possible cause or effect is totally absent from this description.

This is repeated by so many gays who also had 'perfectly normal' upbringings (oh boy.. that psychological explanation is getting destroyed now) and it really brings up a very interesting and maybe important commonality reported by many homosexuals:
'from about age six'
Over and over the age where a desire for sexual relations with other males is reported lower and lower.
Now its usually at five or six.
The very age where most children go through a sort of 'asexual' sexual curiousity for approx a year.

Whats interesting is how many times we hear that gays had sexual desires and even 'Knew it - matter of factly' at 6,7,8, and up to puberty.
Fascinating.
Most 'Normies' dont even acknowledge girls as anything more than 'the kids who are not good at boy stuff' and it not till puberty they even entertain sexual attraction.
Thats usually confusing as all hell for a while too.
Meanwhile.... You simply 'knew' you were sexually attracted to males when you were SIX!

I dont know the timeline between 21 and the man of your dreams but unless it involved numerous sexual partners then consider yourself a rare exception.
Most gays have a) been in heterosexual relationships before and or B) engage in highly promiscuous sexual behavior and at best have a long-term 'fallback buddy' but usually just multiple partners with no monogamy in sight.

Cant argue with that. That would be the 'model' for you and surely you can simulate that even though its with a Man in replacement of your Mother.

So God wants you to have homosexual relations. Ok.
I think its interesting how you see this as some sort of test to withstand other peoples opinions of you.
Like the more you can stay doing something unpopular, the more validated you can feel.
That really is fascinating how that was made to work for you and I will apply that to my strong desire to keep smoking.

Change nothing of what you just said but replace homosexual relations with 'Cigarette Smoking' and there is not one good reason why you should not accept that as just as valid.

Really?
You are so nice and I feel so sad for a poor soul who was forced to feel so bad about himself by Christians that he killed himself.
Really, this goes to show OutPost Ministries is very very bad and that homosexuality is not only good but helps people feel good and not bad.

Thats what you want me to say?

The Suicide Rate among Homosexuals is horrific. Usually not from drinking bleach but more to do with bleach in needles used in overdoses.
I dont know if 'Outpost' is a shitty Org or not but the reason many people choose their own sexuality changes through such groups is to avoid being in a lifestyle in which Suicide is such a high risk.

Suicide is irrational and anybody contemplating it needs to seek help without any concern over social embarrassment or even debating reasons for the impulse.
There are no good reasons.
Shame and despair over persuing a homosexual lifestyle is NOT any more of a 'reason' than anger over a sports teams loss or a gambling addiction.

Well, again I have no idea why you decided that you are being triumphant and brave by choosing to persue your sexual desires and choices - BUT - when its someone just like you who decides to persue their choice to become heterosexual then suddenly they have are unable to practice free will and choice.
Suddenly they are having something 'done to them'.
But of course, nothing was 'done to you' and, in fact, you ability to reconcile, continue on and accept your homosexuality in the face of danger was 'brave' and even 'Godly'.

You care very much about whether or not its genetic or not.
You started with what was nothing short of a well thought out apologetic to prove it was an inbred genetic imperative.
You actually 'knew' when you were only six, which is really emphasising that you were not only born this way but you were almost to say 'superborn' that way.
As evidenced by knowing your homosexuality wayyyy before heteros even can know.

There is nobody who is arguing otherwise.
You being a human being and treated like one is not even part of any discussion or debate here or anywhere.

Oh, you mean Murders.
And Murderers Hate, Haters dont like you, those who want you to change mut not like something you are doing so:
They are all Murders (well its the same thing right).

Are you really having a problem with people trying to murder you?
Who want to 'change you' like they are planning to 'make you change' or what?
You are really experiencing a lot of 'hate'?
As much as fat people?
More than Lawyers?
More than Christians!?

I dont acknowledge a 'hate crime' over some other type of 'crime'.
You trick a person into the woods and beat him up, steal his wallet and leave him on a fence to die - you go to jail.
Period.
There is no 'mitigating factor' between hatred and 'superhatred' because the criminal has a 'special reason'.
Exhibit A: The idiots who painted Satanic pentagrams on the front of BOTH the Christian Book store and the neighbouring Secular Lesbian bookstore on my street get EQUAL punishment - period.
Not a 'special hate crime' for the Christian book store but somehow LESS punishment for the Lesbian bookstore.

You bullshitting me and Im going to call you on it.
You have EVERY and ALL basic protections that ANYONE ELSE has and suggesting otherwise is bullshit.

Yes, I have a lot of kind feelings and im very nice too.
Thats why I would encourage you to look into changing your lifestyle from an unhealthy one to a healthy one.
Why?
Because if I see a friend drinking Bleach Im gonna go over and tell him "hey brother. thats poisonous .. dont drink that stuff"
Maybe he is gonna tell me he has 'known' for a long time he wants to do this and he believes God would rather see him dead.
But still, Im gonna try and stop him because that is what real love it all about.
I cant force him anymore than he can 'force me' to quit smoking.

Well society is pretty disgusted with my smoking and sometimes that makes me feel very bad.
It doesnt mean I should keep smoking either.
I wouldnt be surprised that certain 'LGBT' groups are despised since many are run by annoying fucks with fascist political agendas and antichristian, antifamily attitudes as well as encouraging some troubled youth that he should embrace the love of homosexual sex and these sorts of things.

I dont know which one you were involved with but I know many people do despise those agenda orgs - not because they are 'gay' but becuase they suck.
I suppose the members do 'feel really bad' when they are told that.

Now i realise that gay people are just people and they are nice and we should not hurt them but its good to help people.
Because people are nice.
Its bad to be mean to people just because they are different.

I think you are bathed in hate and the more you help and encourage people to live in their 'LBGT' lifestyles, the more you aid and abbet unhealthy and psychologically damaging behavior which can lead to drug abuse and suicide.
The problem is not the 'straights' community.
The problem is you.

HO... Fuck.. Listen to yourself!
You are not a 'Race' or a 'People' and the very fact you are trying to lump totally unrelated groups into one 'LGBT' 'person' is ridiculous in itself.
women who like women
Men who like men
men, women who like both.
People changing into men and women from either.
You can just stop and see 'G and L' are practically OPPOSITES of each other.
Lesbians have MORE in common with me than you do with them!
Maybe I can just decide to describe the 'LSM' (lesbians and straight men) community and Im still WAY closer to the truth of a 'people' than you are.

Again, change nothing of what you said but replace 'LGBT' with Smoking and now I want to know what you think.
'We' have a 'rich history' of artists, scientists, politicians.. COME ON!

Yes, many go onto experience one of the most exciting and rewarding gifts God through his nature gives to them - meeting a husband or wife, becoming one together and producing a family and some say the most fulfilling experience a human can have - becoming a Grandparent.

Of course you are making the ultimate case for this.
There is simply no difference at all and you are 100% just as valid as anyone else and now you no longer have any guilt or shame or any reason to change a thing.
Yes, I see that.

First of all.. dont confuse me or you about the real issue here.
Its not a debate over love.
Stop trying to 'switch' and interchange the questionable with the unquestionable and think everyone is too stupid to notice.

You SHOULD love your best friend and everyone, including and maybe especially Christians will absolutely applaud and cheer for that.
If only more people DID do that.
Heck, Jesus and his Disciples love each other so dearly and repeatedly expressed and demonstrated how much they loved each other.
People have spent thousands of years just trying to approach that love these men had for each other.
Great!

We see best friends, team-mates and brothers live entire lives together in the closest and most loving bonds.
Great!
I only wish everyone in our society was MORE like that.

This is NOT what you or I are debating at all.
The ONLY thing being debated or questioned or looked at about your life with this guy (or others) is whether or not its 'Loving' to have anal/oral/sexual relations with him.
That IS the rub.
That IS why you would call yourself a 'homosexual' or (in your case) a type of human being race called a 'GLBTer'.
Change NOTHING but remove the sexual relationship and there is absolutey nothing else to talk about on this.

You replacing the word 'gay' with 'love' is like me asking you whats wrong with me smoking cigarettes and why is this bad... when you look at me I have replaced the cigarette with a straw.
Why.. whats wrong with breathing?
Are you against breathing air huh?

Nobody is questioning you having deep love and affection for another man or pointing to anything but health in it.
But being romantic and sexual with each other - that is considered self-destructive or at least 'unhelpful' by a lot of people.

Sorry that makes you feel bad.
Maybe you should 'feel bad' because that is your physiologies way of trying to tell you something is NOT working correctly and could be better if you stop it.
Have you thought of that?

 

Fuck off.

 

Ok, before I do, I need to know one thing..
how far did you get through my post before you arrived at your conclusion?
If you had to get all the way to the end - then I have to commend you for getting that far.
Or was it before you got half-way.
Most people only need to get half-way.

 

This was the clincher:

Seriously, get the fuck out. You do nothing but harm here. It'd be one thing if this was part of a debate, but all you're asking someone to do here is to hate themselves as much as you did.

 

That is the debate though.
Im suggesting that the most loving thing a person can do for themselves is correct behavior which is itself the cause of the emotional pain and self-loathing.
I dont want him to have those feelings.
So my sincere suggestion hopes to advise him of ways to feel better about himself.

I can just as easily demand you get the fuck out of here for encouraging homosexual behavior to continue and therefore cause them to hate themselves even more.

You are convinced yours is the right medicine and mine poison whereas I see it the other way around.
That IS the debate here.

 

Setting the debate aside for a moment. I do not agree with Erasmus70 in any shape, form, or fashion as anyone reading this thread knows. However, I protested when he called me names so I fell compelled to protest when someone tells him to fuck off. If you do not want to read what the man has to say do not pick this thread. Telling someone to fuckoff or calling them names does not advance the discussion. He spent a lot of time addressing a prior post lets refute that shall we.

 

I read the whole post, Erasmus, and I am disgusted and appalled. Once again you have shown your lack of respect for and INSIGHT in homosexuals.
I'm too disgusted to even respond, because you will twist and turn everything around, and just spout more ignorance.

Have a nice life, and please go talk about your feelings about homosexuals elsewhere because you are insulting the LBTG people. It has no place in the gay forum. I have tried to debate with you, but I should have realised a lot sooner that it is pointless, and an utter waste of time.

 

Okay, perhaps "basic protections" was not the right wording here. Maybe "basic rights" would have been better. Erasmus, are you familiar with the Declaration of Independence?

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

As a country, we have viciously and vociferously defended these words over and over throughout our history, trying to extend that simple guiding principle into other parts of the world, oftentimes by force of arms. And yet within the bounds of our own nation, we have a marked perception that certain men (and women) are NOT equal, and do not have a right to the pursuit of happiness. The last I was aware, and someone please correct me if they have facts to back it up, 38 states had laws specifically banning gay marriage, even refusing to acknowledge gay marriages legalized in other states. The majority of states will not allow gay couples to adopt, nor allow one partner to legally adopt the others' biological child. Some states will let a single heterosexual adopt, but prohibit any homosexual from adopting. Seems to me that there is some serious inequality here. Because the person you love is the same sex, you are denied marriage and children. Not to mention that if you live in one of the many states that doesn't recognize gay marriage, your partner has NO legal standing. Your partner cannot legally handle financial matters for you without a power of attorney. If you are seriously ill or injured, your partner has no legal influence over your medical care. If you die in an accident or some such, unless you have your partner listed as your next of kin, they may have to wait until they see it on the news. I could go on and on, but I should hope that my point is made by now.

 

What's there to refute? You can't appeal to his humanity, you can't describe real life situations without him saying that our own experiences aren't what we say they are, you can't give statistics or use reputable psychological studies to offer a counter, he's even cornered the market on what a "real" Christian is or what he sees they ought to be. I am less offended by his ignorance than I am by his arrogance.

Turns out, this really wasn't a debate about sexual orientation after all, but a chance for Erasmus70 to attain some desperately needed attention through provocation and he succeeded. Good on him.

 

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My goddess, GypsyPriestess, once again you show the humility and wisdom that Erasmus70 lacks. You admitted that you were wrong on a technical point.

Erasmus70: You bullshitting me and Im going to call you on it. (sic)

He has yet to be as gracious. Many of us have been calling him on his bullshit, to no avail though these 300 odd posts, he either ignores it or makes some ridiculous misdirect. Of course, a Bi-sexual Pagan is going to be the one to demonstrate for him the 'christian' virtues of humility and wisdom.

As I have pointed out before, Erasmus70 is only here to disrupt and shame. That is suppose to be against the rules of the forum. But he gets around being outcast as a troll by once in a great while leaving a seemly innocuous post on some thread.

So, if he plays by the rules once or twice, he can troll as much as he wants.

But as I pointed out before, this is picking up on a new trend of the right wing crazies. It is called the The Third Position.

Quote from Kevin Cohen for the SF. Independent Media Center

How does The Third Position apply to this forum, or any forum for that matter? Well, I hope we've been paying attention to this trend, because the Third Position has been creeping into all sorts of media lately. The defining principle is that a Third Positionist believes very strongly in his Homophobic or Racist world view and he is on a mission to convert any others to his way of thinking; he will pretend to be liberal or moderate on certain key issues, if that's what it takes. To that end, he will act like a buddy - posting friendly meet and greet and "hell yeah," sorts of posts which have as much meaning as sincerity. He will act like a nudge -posting Kudos, while at the same time trying to move the conversation toward his narrow viewpoint, like a back handed complement. Watch out for these ploys and don't be fooled.

A Third Positionist does not listen; he only listens for key words that can be used to go off on some right wing tangent.

A Third Positionist does not debate, except to bring up nit-picking points that can keep a shameless thread like this one alive for over 300 posts.

And there is no reasoning with him. His bigotry is firmly established. His only point in being here is to try and recruit some questioning youth into a miserable life of hatred.

Every time we answer one of his provocative posts, we are helping him in that task. Forgive me for doing just that.

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I have never heard of third positionists, but if they are what you say they are, then I think we have a fine specimen here

 

Double post.

 

Nah, it's your debate. The rest of us would've shelved it ages ago if you hadn't kept bringing it up.

I know you're intelligent enough to see that self-loathing is societally engendered. We are not inherently moral beings; our morals are learned from the society we inhabit. We have to learn what is right and wrong. We are not born hating ourselves, because we have not yet been given reasons to.

Are you bitter about your own experience of self-loathing? I ask because you seem determined to pass it on to another generation. We are being told less and less by society that we are bad people because of who we love and how we express that love, and there are plenty of gay guys now who have barely experienced the self-hatred that you have. I feel bad for you, I really do, but I can't empathise with what you're doing. Your debate hinges on what a person has been taught to hate. Obviously I can't make a totally accurate comparison, but when I compare how people feel about their sexuality now to the kind of accounts people like William Burroughs made in the Fifties of their relationship with it, it seems clear that since then people feel a lot less unhappy as a result of having and acting upon homosexual urges.