Why do you need to be awesome to make lsd?

have you ever seen a kangaroo?

 

LOL the chromatography alone is an artform for this molecule.Given it's popularity and profitability the only excuse for a shortage is a prohibitive synthesis. LSD is a very complex synthesis of an unstable drug.It's days of commonality are gone and it has become a "boutique" drug
WR

 

Yea, that's why I said what if something goes wrong. If you don't understand what's going on a lot of problems can arise. Sure, anyone can follow directions, but things DO go wrong.

Besides, finding a chemist capable of LSD synthesis that is willing to teach a non chemist the synthesis process is probably impossible. I imagine these chemists would be more responsible than that.

 

About 10 years ago, when I was still in university, I heard this story of a chemistry professor, who wanted to synthesize LSD on a weekend. He made the whole thing unnecessarily complicated and some of the synthesis steps took hours, although they could´ve been done in minutes (that´s why the whole thing was spread around - some of his students found out and were quite amused, how much work he had made himself, of course everyone of them could have done better - or already had...).

But in the end it all worked out fine and he ended up with approx. 12grams (!!!) of acid (that´s almost 100,000 hits!). I never found out, what happened to all that stuff...

 

Yea, I wish it was ten years ago, shit, I talked to this guy who was in high school a little more like 15 years ago; he got pages fronted at a dollar a hit, and of course sold them for five a hit to all his buddies in high school. I can only imagine and salivate when I think about the prices 20 years ago lol.

 

An interesting point.

I've not read the whole 5+ pages yet, but the original point that if a precise guide was given, could someone follow it through, assuming that without an unpredicted event happening, it would work out?

Well, building a treehouse, there are certain basic things you need to be able to understand and perform. Transfer these to advanced organic chemistry terms and lab experience... and we can maybe work from the idea. Again, this would assume you have the ideal chemicals for the simplest reaction laid out in front of you, as someone could have 50 years ago.

Leary was not a chemistry major, but he taught himself much on the subject. What made me feel the need to respond is the things I've read about Owsley. By the end of his career he knew tons on the subject. Especially after the ALD-52 and all. But at the start, he was working with little knowledge. (If I recall, he had help from his wife?).

However, this was in the early days. Getting the exact chemicals for a predetermined recipe just won't happen these days. The acid chemist must be able to adapt, understanding every aspect of the reactions (like any real chemist will/should). One works with what they have, and they make what they can't get. Anyone commited to it for the long run, lucky enough to aquire the materials is in the runnings. But, without a pure interest in chemistry *beyond* the aspects of LSD, or even other drug production, one sure would be taking a gamble with his or her future going down that road (Sounds kind of silly, in comparison to the riskiest gamble of all, granted the chance to actual perform the reactions).

As commited as some of us are to the cause, and perhaps many of us would risk our freedom for it, how many are commited enough to sacrifice such a chunk of our life for the *slightest* chance that one day the materials will cross our path, without an otherwise existing interest in chemistry. Especially since it will only get harder as time progresses.

For more information on the good old days of illicit production, read Brotherhood of Eternal Love.

 

What if u were in a different country that didnt moniter those chemicals could u get them there and ship them to the u.s.

 

Yea you sure could but I don't think Customs would like you too much if they busted open your package filled with ET.

 

Just tell them you have the mother of all migraines, and with prescription drug prices being what they are, it's cheaper to import the stuff by the kilo.

That way you and the agents can all have a good laugh while they haul your ass to federal prison...

 

lmao...

 

yes,lsd sysnth is hard,but not impossible for a non chem student.if Dr. Albert Hofmann could do it in 1938 buy accedent and wheat ergot.than you may have a chance.just take it one step at a time and read books by uncle fester and jack b nimble and that should be a good start. and as far a geting your hands on regulated chems, you dont have to, just synth them from other non regulated.i myself am close friends with a 7th year chem/pharm student and he says that the reason chemist dont like to show the easest ways is 1 there egocentric or 2 thay dont want people cuting in on there bissness



ps dose any one know what the street value of anhydrous ammonia is.

i just acquired 6 propane tanks full

 

lol, when did you acquire your unlimited amount of stupidity?

 

I don't think ego or losing profits is much of the reason why no one would share their methods. The real resons would be, Its not so much about the easy way, its more about chemical availability, people work really hard and do alot of research to find ways to synth w/o using suspicious chems...now if everyone knew how to make MDMA out of peanut butter and motor oil....dont you think anyone could just download the recipe and make it? and dont you think that within a few months you could not buy peanut butter or motor oil anywhere..If I did 6 months of reseach to discover that...and someone got my chems listed...i would be pissed.
I think that anyone can do anyone of these synths..even LSD (hoffman var.)...If you are ready to totaly devote ALOT of time and ALOT of money....dont expect to wake up one day and say " hey, nice weather, I wanna make some TMA-2" and think that you will have some product the next day...not going to happen! Without formal training in school this adventure will be harder but you still can do it, take the time to learn why the reactions work, practice distillation with non-expensive chems, read the MSDS sheets on everything you use.....
Then again some people are just better off consumers...you need to be ready to handle paranoia (worse than ever), you need to be able to keep your mouth shut "silence is golden".....yes its very cool that you can cook up a half a kilo of MDMA...but 15 years in prison is not, also you need to be a good social engineer....If you are ready for this, take the plunge, make the best stuff you can, make sure its pure and dont cut it, dont get greedy .
I dont think your ammonia has a steet value, keep it...you might need it

 

no street value ? what. you do know that anhydrous ammonia in restricted sales. and used to whip up a batch of meth in a little over a hour.

update: just got a carton of pseudo, looks like its time to go to the camara store

 

Hope they aren't anywhere near a populated area.

NH3 will rapidly eat through a standard carbon steel propane tank. You need stainless steel for safe storage.

Then again, meth cooks aren't exactly known for giving a shit about anyone else's safety...

 

wow this thread is still going. so boring listening to people talk about why you can or cant make acid. its like people WANT to think that its not possible, just so that they can feel better about themselves for not being arsed to try.

ah well, some day theyll make a drug thats better than lsd anyway

 

I know a person who I attend university with who looked into it, and fully appreciates just how difficult it would be. Only a few of the chemicals needed would have to be purchased, as some of the harder ones to find could be derived from other sources. However, I don't know if you all understand just how closely those several chemicals are watched. Not only do the sellers have to report that you bought it, you have to report on 1. why you needed it, 2. why you needed SPECIFICALLY that chemical, 3. lab procedures or plans for using it, 4. what you did with the reacted product, 5. who you then sold whatever you made to, 6. what you did with the waste...the list goes on.

Another problem with the equipment is not just that you can't just order it, it's excessively expensive. For just one section of one step in one synthesis (there are many needed to make lycergic acid) you need test tubes which run 400 - 600 dollars EACH. This is what they mean when they say that it's expensive to do. Not only are they expensive, they're expensive for a reason - they're so hard to make because they're so fragile.

Keep in mind that another problem is a place to actually carry out the experiment. You generally need a well-stocked lab to do all the synthesis, plus storage facilities. Not something you could just whip out in your house, given that you had managed to get all the chemicals, someone (or someones) to make it and a distro plan.

I do have a friend who I am confident could make it, and he has read a good deal of "procedures" for the synthesis, and found that most of them are horribly incomplete. To answer the question of the thread...remember those experiments you did in high school science class? Remember how badly those went? Not one of the reactions in lycergic acid synthesis is that simple. You have to make extremely precise measurements, very specific combinations...not simple.

Basically...you can't do it, so don't worry about it. An article linked out of Erowid (or on Erowid, I don't remember) guesses that most of the LSD available is made by a few experienced chemists. They weren't kidding.

Edit - just read one of the above posts....Albert Hoffman was able to make LSD-25 so easily because he already had synthetic lycergic acid, after which point it is only a matter of a few comparatively simple reactions to create the final product. Most of the difficulty is in making a viable product of lycergic acid.

 

Dr Hoffman meant to make LSD, he just didn't know what it did. The Fester book is required reading for anyone who is thinking about this, it explains not only the chemistry, but also how to get chems, legal implications, ect... While a degree in chemistry is not needed, alot of time in a lab (legal or otherwise) is. Anny goes $100 a gallon where I live, but it is probably more in areas where it's not so common.

 

I do.

that procedure is fairly straightforward; the tricky part lies in filtration of the intermediates, under red and yellow lamps (you can't just carry out the whole thing in florescent or incandescent light); decomposition is the main concern.

of course, access to the equipment and precursors is the major issue, that goes without saying.