The Complexity Of Being A Stoner

Marijuana for me has expanded my mind in a way where, so much more has been shown to me, yet nothing is less confusing. Infact, its all more confusing. Which I guess what life is about in some ways. Id rather be confused than living in ignorance, then again, would I? For the fact is, ignorance is bliss. If I had never taken a drag i would in some ways probably be much happier, yet I cant really and honestly say.

Then there comes the times when you smoke everyday for months straight, and you never really and honestly feel sober. Then when you finally take that week break, or severly cut down, you can feel what being sober is actually like. And a lot of the things which I believed in my stoner stuper state, become less real, and nothing more than dilusions.

Its like playing a video game everyday and sucking at it, taking a break, and durring that break, you just get it.

There is obviously some sort of way to tell a stoner apart. For everyone I meet knows I smoke. Yet, I normally find it difficult to tell who is high and who isnt when im stoned. So is there this marijuana stuper were all in, and too high to realize? It seems like stoners are some of the most intelligent, yet least intelligent people ive ever met. We kind of surcum to these mind fucks of, I dont even know what. In some ways, were all living in this stoner delusion, which is no better than the delusion which everyone else is living.

Stoners seem to slip through the cracks, and even though we all think were doing better than most people at the moment, we have to ask ourselves, are we really? We distance ourselves from material possessions, or do our ideas of material possessions simply change? Were always looking towards the future, and it always seems better. Yet what will be better? Im congratulating you if you are a stoner, who gets good grades, and lives a pretty yes sayer life. For all of you who are currently doing shitty in school, whatever it may be, you are never going to find that better future. School is a joke, dont even bother letting me in on that one, but how many people make it anywhere who dont go? What makes you think youre going to be one of the special ones that make it out of whatever hell hole youre in?

Would you rather be living in a nice house, driving a nice car, burning some magnificant home grown? Or would you rather be sitting in your dirty apartment, driving around your beater car, burning some schwag? We are animals, cells, whatever. Stoners seem to talk about nature a lot, and do you not think you should follow your nature? Obviously somthing is going to want to reside in a cleaner enviroment more so than a dirty one. Not saying that stoners are dirty, but from looking at the majority of adults on these forums, these people are going no where. Then again, we have to consider the fact which is, these people may be trying to do nothing but better themselves instead of other things, and for that I give them mad kudos.

So basically out of all of that, i am no less confused, and take nothing ive said as a definite, because one thing ive learned as a stoner, there are too many possibilities, specific situations, and questions to be asked before making any sort of decision. And even then, the decision will be constantly ever changing from new things learned. This my friends, is the stoner mind fuck. Happier now or happier then?

 

there are smart and dumb, aspiring and undirected people everywhere in the world. dumber people are more likely to get into drugs, due to culture primarily.

i think its a great post. i just think the whole thing about deluding ourselves into things is merely stemming from the fact that weed (most more than ever at the start of smokin career) makes us ..'see' more, but it becomes more and more about experiencing more enjoyment, and when you dont have weed, things are simply less enjoyable because you have higher expectations. the priorities of the mind change. when you go sober again, you simply start living more of a life in the system of community which sucks to most stoners because theyre in the stoned rhythm but when you get into the sober rythm, then its the opposite, looking at certain stonedness seems abstract and irrelevant. when really theyre both just as relevant but to different things and in different ways. (the values we have, ie, are just as relevant) unfortunately we all live in society, however stoner values are not focussed on the structure of society, but the sober ones are! so stoners can often lose out. unless they maintain their values for the system, or make ways around the system, then stoners can struggle with the system because it all seems like a delusion. society is mad! then to the sober, the thoughts thought can seem irrelevant and dull.. deluding oneself in enjoyment.


sorry i think i repeated things but to sum it up, its not that either stoner values or mainstream values are better than the other, its that its impractical for many to live outside the mainstream since we live in a physical domain, however its also impractical for many to live inside the mainstream if the mainstream world does not channel your motivation. this is the stoners dillema, imo

and also, its a drug and most stoners use it more than they realise.. because its so wonderful and nice, and no comedown so you can keep smoking till you pass out for lots of us, and thus little consequence is linked to smoking and so its fairly casual for most stoners and this casuality means stoners often dont relaise absolutely how often theyre on drugs compared to the rest of society.

of course theres tonnes of other drug-using groups with their own dillemas, both similar and different. i think the last point is general to most drug use but the fact that tehre aint no comedown makes it particularly easy trap to fall into for a stoner

 

Excellent post.

I know exactly what your saying, however you have to understand that, when it comes down to the basic principle. Everyone is different. You nor I can make the assumption that we are all just stoners with no future, nothing to look forward to.

The main point is motivation. You have to know what you want out of life, have goals, and have the motivation to get up and achieve those goals. For you are the only one who can do such.

Many everyday tokers lack this general motivation. Which is why I always promote using psychoactives in moderation, no matter what the substance is.

I have experienced personally the 'high all the time' state of existance, personally I can't handle it. Although I am a very proactive person, I found myself unusually lethargic, confused and just generally 'blah'...The essence of a cannabis experience left me and I no longer looked at the substance as the spiritual and medicinal tool it really was, it had just become...normal.

Eventually the negatives outweigh the positives and you no longer enjoy the substance anywhere near as much as you used to.

I have since cut back my usage to once every week or so, and my love of cannabis has been completly restored. I can now use it for the medicinal and spiritual benefits I seek, not to mention I am in much better health and spirits.


Take a lesson you young stoners, this man has wise words, respect cannabis, use it the way it was meant to be used. For none of you can say that there are no negative effects of everyday cannabis use (abuse). Is being sober so terrible? what harsh reality are you trying to escape? Do your mind, body and soul a favor.

Moderation.

 

yeah i have to say im more sober then stoned, i smoke alot but i take brakes alot and go days apart with out even saying to my slef im going on a break,also alot of these problem arnt marijuana drivin but mostly drivin by people who dont agree with those politics and the norms of the world. I personly have disided to live a minimalists life i dont want alot of stuff cause stuff realy doesnt mean shit and im happyer thinking and talking about ideas then wast my time (which i do and i tihnk we need to some times and take a break) but people dont think enough.

 

I dont really have much to respond to anything anyones said, but good posts. I love seeing intelligent, long thought out posts. Its unfortunate more people arent responding though.

 

Kind of reinforces your point, they're too lazy to read the long posts

 

come on people dont let this tread die its the best we have had in a while im added my littile thought add your

 

As a woman with more life experience, I'm throwing my two cents in. Smoking as a teen and smoking as an adult have been 2 very different experiences for me. When I was younger, it was all about getting fucked up, partying, etc. I never really took the time to expand my mind while I was high. Although I'll never think of myself as a "grown up" I appreciate the beauty and intricacies of weed so much more now. I doubt I could have comprehended these things while I was en route to a party getting blazed and drunk at 15. Also your priorities are different when your younger... I pay my house payment and my bills, drive a nice (but not great!) car, feed and take care of my 3 kids, 2 dogs, 2 cats, 2 bunnies, and 27 bettas and still smoke weed. It helps me calm down and deal with the craziness of everyday life.
I'm not sure about the not going anywhere, I make an effort to better myself in some way every day. It all depends on the person, they make the choice to be lazy or unmotivated. If you rely on weed as a constant form of escapism instead of dealing with life, school, or whatever then your more likely to end up a go nowhere-er.

 

Someone said it: moderation. Walk the middle path. I've been doing that for a while, and have thought a lot about that and pot in general. I get so much more pleasure from it if it's a semi-rare thing. I've met the whole spectrum of stoners- the kids who drop out of high school as well as the ones who go and suceed in good colleges. I guess it's all sort of an individual thing. Some people can smoke a lot and suceed, others just can't hack it, or get too apathetic to do anything. Some of the smartest kids I know are still hanging around this town, after flunking out of college 3 or 4 yeards ago...they're smart and dumb at the same time. I don't know. It's surprising how powerful that plant is...I could have easily been a daily toker if some circumstances would have changed.

I guess the bottom line is that being high is great- I have fun with my friends, have good conversations, enjoy good food, music, reading, looking at art, drawing, and going to concerts while high, but it's too much for day-to-day. Because life isn't only about pleasures, which pot heightens. If everyone smoked pot, we'd be a whole lot nicer and probaby commune more with each other or something, but nothing would get done, in the grand sense. My favorite stoners are the ones who have interests beyond pot, who know when to stop and get on with life, who can toke one evening and program web servers the next night without needing to smoke. If you see what I mean...

I dunno. Just my late night thoughts.

 

I guess I'm just a lazy stoner, as I was proud of myself to get through the first post here, and couldn't bring myself to read the other ones... but hey, it's ok--I won't be a lazy stoner forever. I regulate my pot smoking based on price--I put pot on the bottom of the budget list, and that way I get everything else I want FIRST and then I get my weed.... I hope it works.... Right now it's not regulating me too much, as my parents take care of my needs, I have plenty of money, and all I really want is weed... but when I want a car, I'll put that at the top of the list, and when I want a house, that'll be way above weed--so I'll do all right, I think.

 

I'm glad to see some intellegent posts in the forums. I agree with everyone that people should respect it more. I myself need to respect it more. I have been smokin pretty heavily but have maintained with school work. It is good to have deeper thoughts then just, " What am I gonna smoke next?" Your posts have helped me understand and realize how great weed really is.

 

some were born for failer and some werent, unfortunately im one of the failers, each person is unique in there own way. you can look at alcohol or any other drug the same way.

tho im not that lazy of a stoner, i have a job, i just read every post, and i also just got back from a 6hour walk..yes 6 hours. but i will still fail in life.

 

Have to agree with mellow, his post made ultimate sense to me. So did naughtygirllw's. But i guess we are in a different space to when we were 15. Weed was an escape to me, for many many years. I used it as an alternate reality, because the one I was living in at the time so was fucking shit. But, living that constantly fucked up going nowhere cant be assed life got me nowhere. I took a few years break, sorted my life out, recognised my priorities and basically got my shit together.
It wasnt fucking easy. I didnt know what I wanted, or how to achieve it. I just knew what I was doing wasnt helping. I grew up, and revisited weed with a clearer head and more understanding, and now I use it to enhance my life and even me out, not as a means of escape. I work through my issues, then when I am satisfied that I have peace and reseloution, then I light up. I sorted my shit out. I didnt mask it with getting wasted. Thats the big difference. My bills are paid, my kids are priority, the house is clean, my life is in order. Then, and only then do I allow myself to switch off and relax. Weed is not the answer, we all have to take resposibility for who we are and the decisions we make, and if we are lucky, we find a substance to help us not hinder us deal with that.

 

You know this post is probably the best one i've seen in a while. This whole thing with "lazy" stoners vs "non-lazy" stoners. I went to a psychologist recently and she put it probably the best way i've heard it. For those really, really smart people, it slows their mind down so that the rest of them can catch up. Basically this: Lets say Person "A" is graded top 1% on those provincial exams in Alberta. Obviously pretty smart, smokes weed before writing these tests, then writes another test and is not high when writing it, doesn't do as well. ITs because the synapses in the brain were slowed to a managable level when Person "A" was high. that's basically how it was explained to me. And yes people i am "person A". I usually go through an ounce every 2 weeks with some selling on the side and i smoke it everyday usually at least 3-4 times a day. so i think this goes with what most people are saying here anyways.

 

Gixer! I haven't seen you in a while, glad to see your still here

 

I don't really know what you guys are trying to say here, all I know is that I get high because I like too, and I am High right now...... regardless if it's an escape, or just a means to get fucked up, or a way to expaned my brain..... the fact is, if i go know-where in life, then so be it..... but you have to ask yourself where know-where is in the eyes of society..... i could be the guy living in my shitty apartment, driving my beater car, and smoking my schwag, your tipical dead-beat in the universal mind, but you don't know the things I've seen, the sunsets, the landscapes, the millions of moments, all the people that have been with me, or with out me, the conversations, the realizations.... I could go on, but the point is every person is unique, every persons life is a story, and if you really want the nice cars, the two car garage, the christmas bonus, and the exceptence and respect of everyone else that views themselves as "normal" and "succesfull"... then fuckin do what you have to do to get it, but life is only a series of moments, so would you rather be makin that cold cash for those moments, or maybe watch and make sure your little brother grows up right, or enjoy an afternoon of sun, just do something that will make you feel good, just enjoy these moments, cause in the end, all the money and all the cars, and all the oppinions of everyone else won't mean shit compared to your own oppinion and your memories..............................................

.......... regadless if you get stoned or not...

 

that pretty much sums up my actual position about cannabis.

 

He's got a point.

Everyones different, just as long as your happy thats what matters.
Do whats right for you.

 

bump


--this is a great thread

 

GOD I LOVE THIS POST!!!!!!!!!

Your fuckign great man. I think about that kind of shit everyday, and finally I see someone acuallt does see that shti too, great post.