Harper won Canada zero

if this is the case, then i wish you guys would keep quiet about the softwood lumber dispute

 

Pretty fucking funny isn't it, you fucking ****. I love it when Americans steal and then laugh about.

 

oh come now, i was merely teasing.

Besides, most Canadians love to forget that the WTO ruled in favor of the US and that the NAFTA ruling DID say Canada was subsidizing the industry.

Either way, we need to get the dispute done with..20+ years is too long, and shitty trade relations can only hurt both countries.

 

I come from a logging town. It isn't a joke.

 

This is TRUE.

Spooner, then get the government even more to subsidize you to cover the shortfall.

 

The WTO overturned their ruling if I am not mistaken.

 

"On August 30, 2005, the World Trade Organization which had previously ruled against the United States International Trade Commission finding of "threat of injury", upheld the U.S. International Trade Commission's new Section 129 "threat of injury" ruling. A NAFTA panel has not reviewed this decision. The legality of the use of the revised December 2004 International Trade Commission decision to continue to impose duties on Softwood Lumber Imports from Canada is before the U.S. Court of International Trade."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Softwood_lumber_dispute


maybe thats that the overturning you meant?

 

wow, i totally read that one wrong...

 

If you want to know about Harper, you have to check out the National Citizens Coalition. Talk about a secret society! If you like Mike Harris, Ralph Klein and Conrad Black, you'll simply LOVE these guys!!!

Hmmm...didn't we go to Europe a couple times to put guys like this out of business? Or was that just OUR money & power guys fighting it out with THEIR money & power guys????



I'm thinking Paul Gross' film "H2o" The same could be said for Canadian oil. We kicked American butt in the War of 1812, but next time I think some right wing neo-con will sell Canada to Washington for a handful of beans and pass himself off as a great Canadian visionary.

Terrible thought..in this new society will we be forced to drink American beer ???

 

lol, i think you live in a dream world.

At least be honest and say "We and the Great British Empire and a bunch of indians kicked America's Ass."

Then we can discuss whether you really did. At best, 1812 was a stalemate. We fought the strongest power on earth and brought them to a tie. It should be embarrassing that you guys did not wipe us out. Yes, you burned our white house, but we burned your equivalent too.

Ultimately, all our grievances and reasons for going to war were solved with the war. Not to mention it gave us credibility on the world stage as being a power that could defeat England.

1812 was still a mistake though. Most likely Canada would have become part of the US if we didnt invade. Oh well, just delaying the inevitable

i think sometimes you guys live in lala land up there

 

Canada actually wasn't cofederated until 1867. The British Army, local militia,the Royal Navy, Indians like the great chief Tecumseh kicked US butt. Not to mention the families
of origininal United Empire Loyalists (UEL) who didn't join in with the rebels in 1776.

But the US has always had their rebels. Remember 1861-65?

When the Fathers of Confederation formed Canada in 1867, they wished the country to evolve differently than the USA and avoid such civil wars. Look at the peaceful way in which we deal with Quebec separatists !


I have family on both sides of the border. And I like Americans.

But I'll choose my lala land over the US any day. And I'll choose evolution over revolution any day.

To be fair, Canadians have always been allies of the US since 1867. In fact it was a battalion of the Pricess Patricias Canadian Light Infantry who saved the day in one of the battles fought in the Korean War. They wear the insignia of the US Presidents citation on their uniforms even today.

End of rant...but I AM serious about your beer. We call that bottled water up here!

 

Now this is interesting. I really doubt one could have happened without the other. I.e. American revolution had to happen for Canadian(australia, new zealand, etc) sovereignty to come about. Britain handled its empire MUCH differently after it lost its first empire.

Very little life was lost, in reality, in the American rev. It was mostly a revolution of the mind(isnt that evolution?). I.e. we have the right to self determination.


P.s. Real men drink Jack D, not piss water.

 

harpers going to play to what canada wants because he's got a minority. He's not going to do anything to major to offend those on the left like ban gay marriage and he's going to appease those on the right by changing something small like taking down the bill for decriminalzation of mary jane when they try to pass it in commons. He's going to do a good job representing to country for 4 years and were all going to think its a good thing and vote for him in the next election, giving him a majority. Then he's going to bring in a more staunch right wing agenda, destroying some of the values that most canadians hold dear to their hearts, values were known for worldwide. But thats just a prediction.

 

"Astonishingly, almost as many Quebecers voted Conservative — 906,741, to be precise — as did Albertans: 930,817."
Quote from the Star.

Mind you, it isn't as though the Albertans think of it that way. I was hearing the other day about how they (as a province, explicitly defined as such) deserve "their crack at running the country".

Like, jesus christ, the whole place has less people in it than Toronto, by a ratio of like 3-5.

I don't always know why they feel so frickin' cheated. I feel in some part, they've been sold it by their politicians for years, it's always a good political strategy.

"The west wants in,"

Meaning the West is "excluded", as opposed to a more accurate assessment that "the west hasn't got enough people in it to dominate policy".

I mean you don't hear Nunavut complaining The North Wants In.

They have their money now, of course, so it kind of went from rebelliousness to a feeling of rising power. And of course, since any batshit insane neoliberal economy will still treat everybody ok in Alberta because of the surpluses, that vindicates, to them, the concept of neoliberalism more broadly.

Well, who knows. Noone can be sure if the western base of the old Reform party will get antsy as Harper stays "pragmatic" in the hopes of getting his majority out east. Hopefully not.

*rants*

 

i think i'd be pretty tetsy if all my money was getting sent far away and i had little to no input on how its used.

I think that happened one time in American history...

I really do feel sorry, Canada has quite a pickle to deal with the rise of alberta and the separtists in quebec...it will be a real test.

 

"It was mostly a revolution of the mind(isnt that evolution?). I.e. we have the right to self determination. "

Hmmm..I thought both revolutions, French & American, were dreamed up in the Nine Sisters Masonic Lodge in Paris.

 

lol

 

According to Graham Hancock as well. In his book "Talisman".

One of my relatives...who invented bifocals, was also a member of the Nine Sisters.
The fun just goes on & on...LoL

 

related to benny franklin?

 

Alas, the same kite flyer.
The Masonic lodges in those days were hotbeds of freethinking.