Redundant? I don't disagree, irregardless.... What is the difference between asking where God came from and asking what happened before the big bang?
Yeah, but it is a good question, a Judeo-Christian Koan, if you will. This is actually three interwoven questions. The two basic questions - 1) where did God came from? and 2) what happened before the big bang? - suggest that one can transcend God and/or the Universe. That there is a larger context within which God and/or the Universe are, ultimately, the creative output of something else. Who knows? I can't answer these questions, I can only admire the reality they illuminate. The third question - Is there is a difference between questions 1 and 2 - suggests that God and the Universe may not necessarily originate from the same source. It suggests God and the Universe are not necessarily one and the same entity, one may have created the other (or vice versa), or they may be separate entities altogether. I choose to think that God is the larger context of the Universe, which, of course, does not eliminate the possibility (the probability!!!) of the Big Bang, Evolution, omni-ecumenical truth, etc. I also choose to believe that God cannot be transcended. But once again, who knows? I can't answer these questions, I can only admire the reality they illuminate. My finite little human mind is now thoroughly and properly blown. Peace and Love
God doesn't come from anywhere. He lives in a place called Humility (which is a place people don't usually visit until they've worn out their welcome everywhere else).
your not supposed to "think" when it comes to god and faith..... and thats the question that turned me agnostic
thats the question that turned me agnostic but i guess your not supposed to "think" when it comes to god and faith.....
hmmm... maybe.... god was always here, but he wasn't GOD until he created us, he was just a nothing floating around not having anything to compare himself to or a mirror to reflect off of. so actually, we created god the moment he created us. or maybe he's some dopey guy behind a curtain, projecting his face ten times larger than it is, and we are the projection. in that case, he came from the emerald city. who knows? you'll find out some day, maybe, so don't worry about it
Wow, yeah!!! "God is a verb" as someone once said. According to this idea, creativity elevates one's state of being. That means creativity itself is an essential attribute of the divine. I am impressed. "What, me worry?"
I don't know, but he must be full of himself if he's creating shit in his own image. Or did we create god in our image?
God didn't have a creator. In order to understand things like creation, and infiniti and all that, you have to think outside the box. God created the concept of time and begginings. Therefore, since he created it, he is not bound to it. Just like it is hard for us to imagine "forever" or "infiniti" because we have always known these to be true. But God invented time. Before he did, ther was no time.And after time ends, we won't be bound to it. Since God invented time, it didn't exist before then, therefore, he doesn't have a beggining or an end, since he created begginings and ends. Did that make sense?
No. God without a beginning is not a being. There is no personality or love or generosity or jealousy or anything like that, because those are emotions, and emotions must originate from somewhere. A god without a beginning is just like a law of physics. There was no point at which universal gravitation came into existence. That is a law that is just something present in the nature of the universe. But it doesn't feel. It isn't concious. It acts on every atom equally. No offense, dude, but "god created beginnings and time and all that" sounds to me like one of the biggest copout answers ever. I also disagree with the time is manmade argument. Minutes and seconds are manmade, but they are just units to measure time. Just like meters and grams, but length and mass are not manmade.
Well, Freaker, he has a point. Scientists say the same exact thing in a strictly materialist sense, that time did not exist before the Big Bang. Interestingly, something moving at light speed is also timeless, as it necessesarily has no mass (things with mass can't go light speed). No mass = no time. Another way to look at it is that space and time are one thing, so before there was any space, there was no time. It's almost impossible to understant (maybe it is FULLY impossible), because we only know a world with time. To say "what happened before there was time?" is like saying "How fast do flowers run?" It just doesn't apply, and to get anywhere you have to step outside the box. Understand it this way. The universe could end every 10 seconds, and God could rest for eternity, then recreate it right where it was, and we'd never notice any pause because eternity isn't a length of time but is timelessness. Obviously, such an interval would take zero time to occur. This only really seems nonsensical because we see god as a person, and a person can't exist without time (since a person is generally defined by what it does: a doctor, father, friend...). I don't see God as some guy making the universe from dirt, it's far, far more abstract than that. Without the universe (without time, thus in eternity), there would be a sort of singularity, a union, doing nothing. The "moment" anything happens, time "begins" and thus so does a universe. This post could go on and on but I'll just stop here.
I would disagree with those scientists. While there may have been no way to measure time before the big bang, I think there was always time. I thought things going the speed of light had infinite mass. Except photons, of course. But wasn't that why nothing could accelerate to light speed? Cause it keeps needing more and more force to accelerate? Isn't eternity the same as "for all time?" If that's the case, then it's the same as forever, and anything that happens outside of a single eternity must happen in another dimension or plane of existence. I think I see god in a similar way. Sort of a spirit-thing in everything. I don't think god consciously causes things to happen.
How can there be time when there is no matter, no space? Space itself was created in the Big Bang. If there is nothing there, nothing happening, and nowhere for it to happen in, how is there time? That's like saying "length" exists in the absence of any objects. You're getting too abstract, confusing your idea about what length (and time) with what length (and time) really is. And I don't think "eternity" means "everlasting" or "forever," though it is often used that way.
