suffering

Discussion in 'Buddhism' started by TrippinBTM, Jan 20, 2006.

  1. GanjaPrince

    GanjaPrince Banned

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    Perhaps I come across that way, but if you could see my face and feel my vibe, you would see its playful... This is fun for me and a service, because my guru teaches remember god (the one consciousness) in every moment, and that is the best service you can do.
     
  2. White Feather

    White Feather Senior Member

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    Yes, "he was not the first Buddha, and will not be the last either," ( http://buddhism.kalachakranet.org/buddha.html ) but he was the first one with whom Buddhism finally flowered. As far as Enlightened beings go, supposedly there are thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of Enlightened Beings to 1 Master. So while there have been many Buddhas before Shakyamuni, how many were Masters?

    ibid.
     
  3. White Feather

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    It comes down to whether one thinks that he was Enlightened, whether he felt that he was one with the Universe. He may very well could have been, although a deity is against Buddhist principles. Can an Enlightened being create a political function (religion) around him? There's a story of a king being Enlightened, so why not a priest? (Although Moses may have been a priest-king as so many were of his time.)

    From a purely Buddhist viewpoint, seeing and speaking to God would be considered a manifestation of the mind, a delusion. But one has to question how one can see something which one has no prior knowledge of, say ghosts, demons, angels, aliens, ufos, etc.
     
  4. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    I disagree. The pre-existing conditions get credit for that.
    I wasn't refering to human teachers. I was refering to reality. God.
     
  5. White Feather

    White Feather Senior Member

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    Can you reword that first sentence? "taught of the one consciousness through a series of cosmic jokes." doesn't sound right.
     
  6. Spiritforces

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    Do not think I am against you or not seeing what you mean with " cosmic joke" or "one consciousness" but I do think it is incorrect to say that what was realized by enlightened bodies was the "one consciousness you talk about
    What you point out GP, is not a supreme truth. The truth is that what you point out doesnt bring anything to anybody who reads your posts. Maybe your will is brilliant, but what people see without any information on what you talk about is a good reason to do whatever they want, I mean you take away from them the sense of any responsibility, which is bad. If nobody was responsible for anything it would be worse than it is today.
    I say this even if you think that everything is equal and that one body acting does not change the whole cosmic joke. I know you dont have the pretention to say things that could be universally true.
    What must be taught must be "moral", I mean it must allow human beings to live together. What you present as your truth or as being the truth doesnt allow human beings to live peacefully if they listen to you.
    Don't think I'm retarded, I just try to help you, as you say it is a service
     
  7. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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  8. GanjaPrince

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    Morality, living together, responcibility and all such things fall together, as we realize the one consciousness that is already here.

    Acting as one, the left hand no longer hurts the right hand, it freely passes the bannana from hand to hand. Thus humanity and earth, work as one, helping ourselve, because it is all US, the BUS, BE US! It is all the "I" we share. In this the non self appears, all sense of self loses itself into the infinite oneness of consciousness...

    Individuals and so on, are simply salt dolls thinking they are real... when they are ready, they jump into the ocean to explore it depths, on the way down deep into the ocean of consciousness they realize the cosmc joke, as the salt bodies start to whither away. Eventually there is no more little salt doll, it has melted away only ocean.

    The thing is, it doesn't matter what people hear of what I write or what they do hear. People hear what they are ready to hear... the purer I am the more my message resonates in my words... Thus hearing this all from a beginner is not as powerful as if Neem Karoli Baba was communicating with you all, through this hipforums webstie.

    And in responce to the reword request, here goes

    GanjaPrince (reworde
    Buddha, (the historical one,) realized fully and deeply the ONE CONSCIOUSNESS. Upon attaining this complete liberating realization that is beyond words and concepts, he taught about how to realize it through the four noble truths, which are cosmic jokes aiming one inward toward the one consciousness while detaching one from various thought forms and sensory experiences. Jesus progressed just as deep into the realization, and taught of the ONE CONSCIOUSNESS in the way that was needed to the Jewish people of the time. :)

    Jesus and Buddha are one.

    They never directly said, "one consciousness" but I pointed out in other posts how thier teachings speak of this supreme truth
     
  9. themnax

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    just an opinion so please don't take offense, but what causes suffering (of each of us) are policies motivated by incentives created by thoughtlessly assumed priorities (the statistical consensus of the combined priorities of all of us).

    that the diversity of reality does nothing to prevent this is not a mandate to knowingly allow ourselves to contribute to it.

    =^^=
    .../\...
     
  10. Chodpa

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    That was really great but what causes suffering is the same thing that ends it. It just is, it arises and then ceases. It is Kali Ma, it is merely time and the changing, impermanent nature of everything. And then what ends it is realizing the opposite as ones nature. How can one be wet when one can't be located? How can one be burn't? Or killed, when one cannot be located, in an atom, in a subatom, even at the primordial physical level of virtual particulate noise that hisses through the universe?

    A human is a vortex, a knarly mash of karma that changes everything it touches. What happens when it stops? Does it not still go on? Is there something we can do to make that vortex good for others? By what method could we make peace and pleasure for all? This is what also ends suffering, as practice of the paramitas is garenteed to have a positive return. Buddha spoke of many ways of ending suffering.

    Sometimes suffering can and effortlessly be relieved as in the case of an aspirin. Many speak of yoga as alchemy or working with the inner elements. Buddhist yoga is no different ultimately. Just as there are eight limbs to Patanjali's yoga so also the Vajrayana or tantric Buddhist school of the Tibetans has many vehicles for self descovery of timeless awareness free of obscuration and conditioning. Hence, liberation.

    When all else fails there are herbals that can purify and strengthen the systems. Ayur Veda, and Chinese mainly. Some Maharishi www.mapi.com herbals are expensive but really good. Or were. Haven't had them for awhile. Actually, I just inspired myself to buy one again. Men's rasayana.
     
  11. Zion

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    Just because fire exists , does not mean you dont know better than to not touch it. This is obviously an ends to suffering. Lighten up kid, Light does exist.
     
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