protesting smoking vegans and naturalists

...on a hippy forum? Yeah I must be confused.

I will never understand a vegan who smokes and I don't have any hesitation calling them 'hypocrite'. If you take the au natural path, meaning that we are not omnivors but herbies, then you ultimately deconstruct your entire belief system every time you suck smoke into lungs. How can a smoker be at peace with earth? Smoke itself is the death of a fire; humans are water-born as little fleshy beings and you can't find more natural opposites than fire and smoke vs. water and air.

In my head, if you smoke, be it shwag, kind or ciggs, you're not respecting nature but destroying it. Eating is totally the only available option if you don't want to be a hypocrite.

 

Smoking pot is a little bit different than smoking cigarettes.

In that, cigarettes contain LOTS of chemical additives like arsenic and cyanide. While marijuana...in general, is natural without any chemical additives.

Also, the marijuana plant acutally does not rape the soil of nutrients like tobacco does.

 

Instead of killing and eating animals you kill and eat plants. they're living organisms too.

meat is hella good why go vegan your gunna die anyways

 

WOW if you only knew the chemicals and crap that goes into growing GOOD dope...

 

Sorry man, I'm a bit confused.
Are you saying fire, marijuana, and smoke are un-natural?

 

Define good?

 

Wow, that's the argument EVERY meat eater who feels superior to vegetarians, who I am close to (dad, boyfriend and so forth) has given me. Way to go. Like we HAVEN'T thought that though. I don't mean to be mean, but it's REALLY frustrating sometimes to have that type of response, when you probably have no idea about what not eating meat means. Look up the reasons, and enjoy your meat if you will, but please don't be that narrow-minded. Animals have a living, sentient part of them, and at least that's the reason I won't eat them. Not true for plants.
~Nova

 

Rock on nova!

 

I am saying that to smoke anything is unnatural as it is not meant for the body. A pure Vegan--this coming from the many I have met--believe that they are living the way nature intended. That is, humans are not omnivores, but herbavores who were created to live exclusively off plant life. My argument is that nature does not intend us to put smoke into the human respiratory system.

Therefore I am saying that by smoking these people are hypocrites; however by eating their buds they are cool because they are living their beliefs :sunglasse.

I don't think anyone could effectively argue that plantlife isn't meant for human consumption.

 

if you knew about growing pot you'd know adding chemicals just makes the shit taste real bad. it's all in the light set up, watering, and love (don't laugh)

 

ever heard of colchicine?? ever heard of Ethrel??

 

wtf

I just germinate the mj seeds put them in a pot filled with soil put them on a 20/4 light period and watch the plant grow.Fertiliser helps too but its not necessary for getting good bud.

 

Well, let me give it a go.

Not by talking about the soul of a vegetable, but by argueing that there is no God to "mean" humans to do or not do anything.

"Nature does not intend us..." implies that nature has consousness. Those kinds of statements are restatement of what a diest would say about God.

The argument you gave depends on what is intended for humans to do. You use the word "nature", but I see little difference between an argument based on what God wants and one based on what nature wants.

I maintain that humans have abilities and that any use of those abilities is natural. That includes meat eating, building dams, clear cutting forests and war. Humans are a part of nature, and the results of humans are as much a part of nature as beaver dams.

Which leaves us holding the bag. We can't blame the state of the world on some supernatural force. We can't cast our troubles as the expression of some kind of disonance between humans and nature. The rapist can not excuse his cruelty on a "natural desire to procreate." We as individuals are forced to make choices and take responsibility for those choices.

Humans are not meant to eat plants, because there is no grand designer to assign diets.

Did I meat your challange? (pun intended) I admit that I glossed over the non-existance of God. Let me suggest that Dylan's observation that "If God was on our side, he'd stop the next war" combined with history shows that God either does not exist or is unworthy to hold moral authority.

 

Smoking ciggarettes = yucky, nothing good will ever come of it, and I am always confused by smoking vegans....but nobody's perfect. At least they're doing SOMETHING right.....

 

I really hate it when I have to repeat myself.

Smoke more, drive without a seatbelt, eat all the fried animal flesh you wish, share needles and have unprotected sex. It's time to thin the herd and the stupid should go first.

 

I did like reading what you had to say. By 'nature intended' I do not mean to imply consciousness, but refer to the chemical and physical mechanics science has discovered in its study of nature. That is, fire is a living, breathing entity that secretes smoke. As a secretion, smoke regardless of its form is received by the human respiratory system as a foreign substance--too much smoke inhalation and the body perishes.

Nature's intention with regard to plant life is not as easy to argue after considering your main point of consciousness because--and you are right about this--it alludes to a God or a 'designer'. What I had failed to realize was that God and 'design' are seminal points in my belief that the statement was unargueable. It does create a sperate sub-debate with regard to God and nature, etc. I still think mechanics provides some support in that human teeth are predominantly herbavoric; same with human stomachs...but humanity claims omni so we go both ways.

But now at the end of this post my mind has dug up a memory of me tripping my face off in my old lil red hyundai about 14 years ago listening to the hidden tracks of Maynard chanting, "This is necessary....life feeds on life, feeds on life, feeds on--" and my immediate belief that Tool had just solved the meaning of my existence.

So I agree that disproving God disproves that anything is meant or not meant for anything. And God of course implies design and intention.

Oh no doubt I have the utmost respect for Vegans and I basically support most of the ideology.


I once walked a vegetarian path until one fated morning at Denny's when my friends heard me announce to the waitress, "And I'll have sausages." i think in the end I saw myself as as a vegetarian for the sake of being one...like thinking I was living for a cause I was only partial too. So that is also why I've found hypocritical Vegans so annoying.

 

How can you say vegans are living the way nature intended if you must take pills in order to not shrivil up and die from a lack of amino acids?

 

Actually if your incorrect statement were true (you implied plants were sentient by comparing them to animals), it would be even *more* reason to go vegan, as meat production uses up more plants than plant production (as feeding a several hundred pound cow tons of grain then killing it and eating it takes up more grain than if you ate it yourself). And there are billions of reasons (100/year per average meat eater) to not eat meat. Everyone will die, this is most certainly true. However, causing complete unnecessary suffering is something we can very easily avoid, and that is one more reason to do so.
There are meat alternative out there. One of my favourites is Morningstar Farms Meal Starters Chik'n strips. Yum!
I would be happy to give you veggie info if you'd ever like.

 

I know this is kind of Vegan smugness, but it's rather hypocritical to give up meat and then eat meat substitutes. Mmmm, I'm saving the life of a chicken by eating a plastic chicken. It's kind of like giving up smoking and then being on the patch and nicotine gum for the rest of your life. If you can't do it right, what's the sense in doing it at all?