Ni putes ni soumises

Ni putes ni soumises
(Neither whores nor submissives)


Have you read the book?

http://www.niputesnisoumises.com/

 

France needs to integrade their minorities into the rest of their population. America does too. I haven't seen other cities too closely, but here a couple highschools are mixed, and the rest are mostly white. France is more corrupt than the U.S. in this aspect.

 

Thanks for your reply, Green! I don't think France is more corrupt than U.S.A in this matter... I think both U.S.A and European countries don't give the atention these social problems require. And the consequences are evident.

Now, you girls, tell me something... How come this thread has only one reply? Are you only interested in hair changes and biological clocks? I assume that most of you never heard about this book, but isn't the title curious? Doesn't it move you enough to click on the link?

Anyway, I'm gonna copy some texts from the website... Maybe this thread will deserve more comments then.


"Ni putes, ni soumise (neither whore, nor submissive) is a mixed mass movement that sprung from the Women’s march against ghettos and for equality (February 1st to March 8th 2003). Symbolically, the march set off from Vitry-sur-Seine, where 19 year-old Sohanne was burnt alive in her housing estate’s trash area – a victim of her desire to be free. For five weeks, five girls and two boys walked across France to denounce the condition of girls and women in the ghettos. After being received by the Prime Minister’s office, NPNS was joined by 30,000 sympathisers on International Women’s Day. The silence had been broken: no one can now claim that they did not know.

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At the heart of democracy
“Since October 2003 Ni putes ni soumises university ”

More than 600 people, activists and sympathisers, came from all over France to debate subjects ranging from secularism, multiculturalism, the ghettos and international solidarity. The university brought together the new local committees to train them in setting up and running local community organisations. A number of politicians, community leaders and civil society leaders attended in order to hear the ghetto youths speak out.
At the end of the first university, Fadela Amara, the president of NPNS, called publicly on Jacques Chirac, the president of the Republic, to make the condition of women a national cause.
Our enemy is the patriarchal oppression which takes different forms : violence against women, honor violences (Crimes in the name of honour are not only honour killings, but also the maltreatment, oppression and out casting of a girl or a woman, which are carried out to save or restore family honour ), and the law of silence.
How many women in the European union actually live in repressive conditions, without access to the full rights guaranteed by their republic ?How can break the law of silence. Help women by giving them the courage to speak out and to feel free to live in another war?
In Sweden, since the death of 26-year old Fadime Sahindal, who was killed by her Kurdish father for dating a Swedish man, the government no longer recognises marriages of minors - of any nationality - under the age of 18 and has provided safe houses for girls from immigrant communities.
In the UK, Ann Cryer, a member of Parliament, and Scotland Yard officers drew attention to the measures taken to combat “crimes of honour”.
Ever since the highly publicised case of Zena and her English boyfriend in 1999 – the couple, under threat from her family, had to live on the run for
years -, the Home Office and the Foreign Office have set up a joint commission to investigate “crimes of honour”.

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The NWNS manifesto
We the women living in the ghettos, of all origins, call for our rights to freedom and emancipation.
Society has exiled us to ghettos, breeding grounds of poverty and exclusion.
In the name of tradition, we are being suffocated by the machismo of our men, who deny us our most fundamental rights.
we affirm our will to win back our rights, our freedom and our femininity. We refuse to be bound by false choices or to sell our bodies to the consumer society.

ENOUGH MORALS
Our situation has worsened. The media and politicians have done nothing, or almost, to help us.

ENOUGH PITY
We are tired of others speaking on our behalf, treating us with contempt.

ENOUGH EXCUSES
Of our oppression in the name of multiculturalism, of those who force us to keep our heads down.

ENOUGH SILENCE
In public debates, about violence, poverty and discrimination.

The feminist movements have deserted the ghettos. Facing a crisis, we have decided to act. No one else will free us from the struggle for freedom and emancipation and against racism and exclusion.

We have raised our voices so that our sisters and mothers in every ghetto in Europe can hear our cry for freedom and joint our struggle to carve out our own space in our own neighbourhoods.


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Ahahahaha 41 views and I'm the only one who said anything.

 

58 views and no more answers? Come on, girls, show me what you got!

Doesn’t this thread deserve more attention? Isn’t this and other movements for women’s rights admirable?

Talking about the abuses women still suffer is crucial! Isn’t it shocking that in these so called developed countries there are still situations of extreme discrimination? And in the others? This is a real women issue!!!

We shouldn’t give up on discussing our problems! We cannot turn a blind eye on our mothers and sisters who are submitted to an ineffective political and social system. While there’s a woman suffering domestic violence, while there’s a woman being neglected, while there’s a woman being raped, while there’s a woman being mutilated… we cannot say the work of the women’s liberation movement is done! Not at all. And we should express our feelings towards these problems, we should make an effort to understand why they happen and an effort to achieve solutions… Internet can help us, because it give us the opportunity of dialogue. Let's talk.

This isn’t just a bunch of feminist crap. Feminism isn’t crap. It is not about promoting the war of sexes, it is about understanding the social problems that are behind the machismo abuses, it is about demanding respect for women… and in a way for all mankind. It is a pacifist struggle for equality.

So… tell me what you think!

 

I wonder if woman will ever be equal in our capitalistic society. What do you think? I certainly hope so and will do my part.

 

I wish I could be there and show my support to them. It is horrible what women still have to endure all over the world. For that matter, it's horrible what EVERYONE still has to endure all over the world.
But this is a fight that will be won with the small battles as much as the big ones. It's something that needs to be confronted head-on, almost as if it's not there. Everywhere people are, we should be pushing the social and accepted limits for ourselves, and showing people that we can do it.
A guy who works on cars in a garage might be a total homophobe and think every gay man in the world is just some sissy trying to get in his pants. He might stop thinking that when he finds out the guy he's worked alongside for so long is gay.

Personally, my small battles these days as of late have been fought at my industrial gas supplier. I blow glass, and have to purchase oxygen there. I've only lived here a couple of months, and they didn't take me very seriously for a long time. But as time goes on and they get accustomed to the idea, they start to open up. When I started solving their problems with creative new ways of looking at their own projects (these guys are all welders) I really won their professional respect. The other day when I was leaving there, they told me that the next time a woman walks in there and wants to open an account they'll do it with a new attitude!
Now, I'm certainly not saying that I'm some kind of amazing trailblazer or anything. I just think that to a certain point, the way to win equality is to assume we have it and go on how we wish.

By the way, I didn't look at this thread for quite a while because I don't read a lick of French (I know,I'm a lousy lazy American). I had no idea what it was about, and even reading the first posting, for all I know it's a book written only in french. You might not see that as much of an excuse. Some of the women here come to this forum to discuss their bodies, and physical and mental issues that other women might have something to say about. Honestly, I'm a little offended that you translated this into disinterest in women's rights. Women should have a right to be women, and talk about their boobs and hormones as much as they want!

 

I have not read the book. And I still don't understand the point of this thread.

 

Basically, women wearing hijabs and that are being burnt alive or kicked around by their men.

So a bunch of feminists are trying to figure out how to use the courts and the ballot box to eliminate poverty and racism. Good luck.

So the politically correct, eek eek eek crowd are wondering what the hell to do - because either they're SEXIST by saying "sure Latif, beat your woman up and hack off certain parts you believe are unclean" or RACIST by saying "hey, Latif, abide by our customs or go home."